Ok, I support feminism but I feel like these movies would not only be better cinematicly, but also be better examples of female accomplishment in hollywood if there wasn't such a huge focus on how they were portrayed during the movie as a feminine icon. Women are people too, and a film that reflects the female superhero the same way as a male superhero is going to do better. Thoughts?
For one, don't support feminism. Support human rights. Feminism was a fight for rights, and the fight has been won.
Now, on the topic of movies and feminism. There are two main delineations between WW and CM in this regard. Firstly, the quality of the writing. Wonder Woman was a good movie on its own merits, with some missed potential in the storyline itself, and slightly retreading the ground of Captain America. The feminist aspect was barely there at all. Captain Marvel, as far as I heard (I haven't been able to watch the movie yet), is not as good a movie in terms of writingm and it's success has more to do with the Marvel brand.
Secondly, how does feminism interfere with the movie. In Wonder Woman, the main aspect of it is that the protagonist/hero is female and is not considered a worthy combatant by the standards of that day. It makes sense, it doesn't take away from her character, and plays very little role in defining her. Captain Marvel on the other hand, has at least one scene that I am aware of that is referencing the same narrative, but in a more direct way. More blunt if you will. But the marketing and the actress, my fucking god. They were shoving the fact that it's a feminist movie down everyone's throats, and when people didn't like the presentation of the movie at first, accused them of being sexist trolls. Basically, it was preachy, self-righteous, did not add to the character, and annoyed the hell out of everyone who prefers their entertainment to not preach an ideology to them.
But to give a Tl;dr:
The movie can have undertones of feminism, but it has to make sense, fit with the character and the story and either be the main focus of the movie (making it a niche product), or be a very subtle backdrop that does not preach to the viewer.
As you aptly pointed out, women are people too, so the fact that the character is a woman should not be a limiting factor or a justification for promoting an idea.
I don't know why you're getting dislikes, everything you've said here is exactly true. Having actually seen captain marvel, it played like a feminist propaganda piece, it was really just cringey and, quite frankly, bad. It was the first time I have ever been disappointed by a marvel movie.
This is frankly why I can't take any claim of funsubstance having anything but a left-wing majority seriously. Because why would you deny the facts unless it would invalidate your personal beliefs?
With enough people the ratio will balance out to a positive, but the initial response is always negative. Makes you think.
Captain Marvel isn't a feminist movie though. There are maybe 3 scenes where you could say... ooohhh... "feminism"... it's a superhero movie first, then a movie about an intergalactic war and refugees.
Then you have people getting butthurt that she isn't all... happy and chippy and doesn't smile... yeah you get your mind erased and see how happy you are about it -.- .... That's just not who Carol Danvers is, in the movie or in the comics. In the comics she freaking gets raped by an alien and is a massive alcoholic. She's closer to Jessica Jones in her personality than she is Superman or Captain America.
Knowing in-depth comic lore shouldn't be required to enjoy a movie, or understand a character. I found her relatively flat throughout the movie; she didn't seem to grow, or change, or even learn anything relevant about her character (personality/thoughts or beliefs, not her as an actual character). Look at any other superhero origin story like Tony Stark in Iron Man 1, or Steve Rogers in The First Avenger; the characters at the beginning are very different than the characters we see at the end. They grow, they face hardship, and the change and become better people because of it. Captain Marvel doesn't do that. In one (partially deleted) scene, she straight up terrorizes the motorcycle dude because he made an admittedly dumb and rude comment. That's not a hero to me, that is someone who looks and sounds far more like a villain than a protector.
Considering she was.... *gasp* a member of the Kree Star force... who are ruthless and the "bad guys", in the context of the movie, even though it was a deleted scene, it makes sense.
She didn't necessarily grow, she just remembered who she was, which was the whole point.
Wonder woman had a weird ending. Wonder woman could have moral thing going on if she realized that people could be bad and what not. But then the real Ares showed up and everything emotional and thought provoking went down the drain.
I thought CM was good, I honestly didn't have a problem with it.. obviously it wasn't perfect but problem with 99% of DC movies is that they always feel rushed and the CGI is nowhere near the same level of MCU. Just my opinion though
Now, on the topic of movies and feminism. There are two main delineations between WW and CM in this regard. Firstly, the quality of the writing. Wonder Woman was a good movie on its own merits, with some missed potential in the storyline itself, and slightly retreading the ground of Captain America. The feminist aspect was barely there at all. Captain Marvel, as far as I heard (I haven't been able to watch the movie yet), is not as good a movie in terms of writingm and it's success has more to do with the Marvel brand.
The movie can have undertones of feminism, but it has to make sense, fit with the character and the story and either be the main focus of the movie (making it a niche product), or be a very subtle backdrop that does not preach to the viewer.
As you aptly pointed out, women are people too, so the fact that the character is a woman should not be a limiting factor or a justification for promoting an idea.
With enough people the ratio will balance out to a positive, but the initial response is always negative. Makes you think.
Then you have people getting butthurt that she isn't all... happy and chippy and doesn't smile... yeah you get your mind erased and see how happy you are about it -.- .... That's just not who Carol Danvers is, in the movie or in the comics. In the comics she freaking gets raped by an alien and is a massive alcoholic. She's closer to Jessica Jones in her personality than she is Superman or Captain America.
She didn't necessarily grow, she just remembered who she was, which was the whole point.