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bethorien
· 5 years ago
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The highest power will tend to believe there is no higher power than themselves, yes
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guest_
· 5 years ago
That seems logical. It’s also consistent with scientific knowledge. Our best theories are that the “universe” didn’t exist. Then there’s a “Big Bang” or other event- then it exists. But- spontaneous universe generating events aren’t observed and recorded as happening first and foremost. We haven’t seen a “big bang” other than evidence of the one and only Big Bang we know of. Where did this Big Bang occur if there was no universe? What started it if there was nothing to start it? We have never knowingly observed “nothing” in the universe. There’s always “something” wherever we look. So- is a universal constant that if there is “nothing” a “Big Bang” will occur? That calls into question much we know of physics but IS possible since we have never observed it we cannot say.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
My point is this- based on our best scientific theories and knowledge- either there was literally NOTHING which is a concept we can’t actually envision and defies all our knowledge, and when there is NOTHING a universe will spontaneously appear (which still raises lots of questions about how you make something from nothing or how you fit a universe in a space that doesn’t exist...) OR- there was SOMETHING, some type of dimensional space or time or some THING- some type of plane or frame of special reality- and some event of this planes nature resulted in the creation of a universe as we know it. These theories BOTH support the idea that a thing can exist without a direct origin- because the first literally supports the creation of a universe from NOTHING, and the second supports that there was space or some dimension of reality prior to a universe which would mean some things are inherent to the nature of reality.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
Therefore- if one were to believe in a god- that god could be explained by the same scientific understanding we have on the universe itself- that either such a god cake spontaneously into being from nothing- or such a god was as inherent to the nature of reality and as pre existing as the frame of space known reality occupies. IN FACT- there is by this same logic nothing which precludes that the very frame of reality or the universe itself IS that god- that whatever this god is- the universe is an aspect of their being or- for a crude analogy- reality itself is like living inside the body of a god like a cell or microorganism.
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nightkami
· 5 years ago
You might want to check out this book I found recently called The Hidden Domain by Norman Friedman. He attempts to explain the source of energy of this universe and concepts of what space time would be like while keeping everything super simple-ish. The current models do actually support what you're talking about with essentially 'God' being space time or at least the energy contained in that dimension. That energy comes through to our dimension (or exists here but behind the walls) and perception gives it form. What surprises me is how close some religious descriptions get or at least analogize to some of these universal concepts.
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guest_
· 5 years ago
My general stance, and everything I’ve seen on the matter- says at a fundamental level religion and science don’t negate each other. Science is a set of rules the observable universe functions on. How the universe was created- if it’s even “real” or not- are irrelevant. Science tells me that if I do X under Y conditions, the result will be Z. If a god designed this universe or IS this universe- it would make sense it would have some patterns or rules- otherwise we couldn’t make sense of it.
guest_
· 5 years ago
If there is no such being- it would also make sense there are rules- or at least patterns- since we can repeat observations with predictable outcomes, and the odds that things would just sort of happen randomly without some laws like physics at play are astronomically small. If this is a “simulation” or the like- still needs some sort of rules. So a god doesn’t invalidate science. Science doesn’t invalidate a god either by the same principal.
guest_
· 5 years ago
It doesn’t surprise me that aspects of religion would align with science. Putting asides the whole “room full of monkey with typewriters eventually making a novel” pseudo fallacy or the fact humans are anchored in this universe- is the simple fact that long before we had the means to view or measure or experiment on things like microscopic or subatomic levels, movements of planetary bodies, shapes and weights of such bodies, black holes, gravity, etc etc etc- people theorized them. There is a certain logic to the observable universe. When something doesn’t make sense- we can generally make a good guess as to what is missing in order to make that make sense.
guest_
· 5 years ago
Structures and concepts repeat at intervals and scales, and some things are fundamentally intuitive to one possessing a scientific mind. I thank you for the recommendation. I first came across these theory some decades ago- but I haven’t done any in depth follow ups on it- or really on studies into things like the shape of the universe- in some number of years as I had decided to focus on other areas of study. I will check it out.
