Yeah, but they were our allies and we just left them there to be slaughtered. Geo-politically this was one move that makes zero sense; it doesn't benefit the US, just Assad, Turkey, Russia and ISIS. That's hardly a win. Also, now we can't go back in and protect the Kurds, as Turkey is a NATO ally... so if we try it, the rest of NATO can declare war on us if they wish. That whole NATO thing and our few hundred troops there, yeah, that's what was stopping Turkey. Don't even act as if we pulled them out of the Middle East either; all those troops were just re-positioned in Saudi Arabia. So.... yeah, dick move.
Yeah, we're still in the sandbox, but it's a bit harder to get shot in Saudi Arabia than Syria. There's also the benefit of defrosting relations with Russia, reducing risk of American on Russian violence, and letting Assad bleed instead of us.
I'm not opposed to killing terrorists, but I don't like the motherfuckers who shoot pregnant women anymore than I like the motherfuckers using them as suicide bombers.
You want to stop Assad? Petition your congressperson to declare war.
Want to stop Russia? Petition your congressperson to declare war.
Want to stop Turkey to protect communists, terrorists, local militiamen? Petition your congressperson to declare war.
The Sandinistas were our allies at one point. The PLA, too. Red Army. Mujahideen. You get the idea.
We killed the people we wanted to kill. Now bring my brothers home. Alternatively, dedicate to sending us to kill people and break their shit. No half measures, no endless world policing.
Oh I get it, allegiances change all the time; all I'm saying is that in this particular instance, there was absolutely no value in doing what we did. We weren't even fighting anyway, just advising. My biggest issue is the NATO/Turkey thing. Turkey is now protected from us by the same thing that was protecting us and the Kurds from them; that whole thing just wasn't well thought out.
Edit: Your DV stalker struck again, I did my best to fix that for ya.
What do we gain from staying without expanding the war? The Kurds don't want to coexist with the Turks, they want their own country. Hell, all the different Kurdish factions want their own borders. If we stay we continue to perpetuate an endless war, half-cocked, hamstrung, and with few clear objectives. Or we dedicate to killing Assad and the Russians, or killing the Turks, either way at the behest of an ethnic group largely uninterested in peace, unable to make it worth our while, and whose only loyalty is to themselves and whoever offers the most guns and money with the fewest strings. Who've already carried out terrorist attacks, and can only be satisfied by the mass displacement or extermination of Syrians, Turks, Iraqis, or whoever they decide to conquer with our guns, money, and soldiers.
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Americans are only loyal to oil wells and potential markets. They give a fuck about anybody with a free will refusing to be a chess figure under Uncle Sam's control.
No wonder why so many countries and groups prefer to have the Russians as allies. I mean, fuck Putin and all, but if he fucks you, you know exactly why and saw it coming from a mile. There's a man keeping his promises. I bet Putin also paid all the contractors who built his villas.
I would have preferred through NATO pressure; threaten to remove them if they don't come to the table, negotiate, and remove their forces from the border; as they were building up their border forces for like 3 months.
Can't really do that now. Oh, and Trump just sent 300 more troops into Syria. He says we are protecting the oil fields from ISIS, but in the same speech he said we are going to take the oil and sell it. So are we withdrawing or not withdrawing? What was the point of letting the Kurds get slaughtered and displaced if we're just sending more troops anyway? I said a flip-flop, a flippity-flip-flop to the bang bang boogey.
The Kurds are in bed with terrorists and regularly attack the Turks, sometimes with American weapons and training, often with civilian casualties. Of course they are beefing up their border, and they're angry, too. The Kurd's goal is to displace and slaughter the Turks. We can send soldiers to defend our interests, but there's no more cause to help "good" terrorists fight bad terrorists after the evil motherfuckers are dead. The caliphate is shattered, ISIS has been reduced by over 99 percent. They once controlled a nation's worth of territory, now they are small cells scattered to the wind. Either declare war against Assad, the Turks, and the Russians, conquer the region outright, or take the win and go home.
Honestly we just need to pull all of our troops out of the Middle East and just let those countries figure it out for themselves
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Pretty much, right. But there's too much american financial interest. Trump withdraw the troops as part of his election campaign (and because Erdogan screwed him like the oblivious little sucker he is) and then next someone had to tell him there was still somebody else's oil in the region the US needs to steal, ehm... protect. .
We're the biggest oil source in the world. Even if we wanted other people's resources, we would've just taken it, instead of dropping bombs on caves and sending killers to kick doors and drop bodies.
But we don't need it. Besides, it's not America making deals with Russians building pipelines, it's not America doing business with Iran, it's not America that allowed her military and people to become toothless and spineless caricatures of what they're capable of. Since we got rid of Obama, at least.
I like how you don't have an actual response. And largely, we aren't poisoning or raping our home. We're fracking and building pipelines over relatively little land, because that's how you get natural resources. Literally no other practical way. Or do you want us to take everyone else's stuff, first? To conquer Africa, the Middle East, Europe and South America, Asia, and everything in between? Make up your mind.
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Funny how it doesn't even seem to come to your mind that there may be a third way, other than concentrating on "your own" (whatever that would mean in the 21st century) and "conquering". Checke-di-check.
Blacks and whites ain't saints. No race is saintly. But it's pretty clear to anyone with two brain cells to rub together could tell from context that I was talking about the racial and ethnic militias that have been our nominal allies for a couple decades now.
Honestly, it's been 32 weeks and you're gonna come here now and try to pee on @famousone for THAT remark? Really? This is why holding grudges can be so goddamn toxic.
I'm just checking old pages and going through, I saw this and as a Kurd I got a bit offended, your sentence is kinda infuriating, Kurds have been living in the Middle East for a long time and have always been prosecuted, tortured and fucked up by all other sides in the region, when Kubani children and women were being slaughtered by ISIS, Turkey, Assad and the groups armed by the US, no one helped them ever. No one has helped the Kurds during all these centuries, they have no choice but to defend themselves. You saying they are no saints rubs me wrong on so many levels. They are more saintly than the Saudi Arabia kings, who are fucking best friends with the US presidents. TLDR your sentence is like saying Jews are not exactly saints or Arabs are not exactly saints
Jews and arabs aren't saints. Nor are kurds. Or whites. Or blacks. Or reds. History goes on, we arm the arabs and jews one day, the kurds another, CIA backed kurds will fight against SF trained Tribals another. That's the nature of proxy conflicts and the fog of war
This right here, these comments to Famousone. This is why I stopped being active on this website. Over half a year later and someone comments on this to push a political argument that no one was having in the first place.
I'm not opposed to killing terrorists, but I don't like the motherfuckers who shoot pregnant women anymore than I like the motherfuckers using them as suicide bombers.
You want to stop Assad? Petition your congressperson to declare war.
Want to stop Russia? Petition your congressperson to declare war.
Want to stop Turkey to protect communists, terrorists, local militiamen? Petition your congressperson to declare war.
The Sandinistas were our allies at one point. The PLA, too. Red Army. Mujahideen. You get the idea.
We killed the people we wanted to kill. Now bring my brothers home. Alternatively, dedicate to sending us to kill people and break their shit. No half measures, no endless world policing.
Edit: Your DV stalker struck again, I did my best to fix that for ya.
No wonder why so many countries and groups prefer to have the Russians as allies. I mean, fuck Putin and all, but if he fucks you, you know exactly why and saw it coming from a mile. There's a man keeping his promises. I bet Putin also paid all the contractors who built his villas.
Can't really do that now. Oh, and Trump just sent 300 more troops into Syria. He says we are protecting the oil fields from ISIS, but in the same speech he said we are going to take the oil and sell it. So are we withdrawing or not withdrawing? What was the point of letting the Kurds get slaughtered and displaced if we're just sending more troops anyway? I said a flip-flop, a flippity-flip-flop to the bang bang boogey.
But we don't need it. Besides, it's not America making deals with Russians building pipelines, it's not America doing business with Iran, it's not America that allowed her military and people to become toothless and spineless caricatures of what they're capable of. Since we got rid of Obama, at least.
You act like the Kurds are good people or something. Better study up.