That’s not the point of saying strong women intimidate men. It’s completely okay when a man acts crude and rude and generally insufferable because he’s showing that he’s a leader, but when a woman does it, she’s the bane of existence ig
Yeah, no. Crude and rude is crude and rude. No leader is going to ride someone's ass for not "Keeping my name out your damn mouth", and whether it's a man or a woman anyone will take offense to being told off for not "Showing the proper respect to your betters, at all times".
Wellll... yes. But no. Firstly- being aggressive is a traditional hallmark of masculinity. Men who want to win are aggressive. Aggressive in business, sports, negotiations, even dating. “A man makes his move.” “Ask her out.” “Go for the kiss.” The idea of persistent aggression against rejection is a staple of the classic love story. “Men take what they want.” “A man sees what he wants and goes for it.” “When you see your shot you have to take it.” The military is the sort of benchmark of masculinity through history and aggression, decisiveness, confidence, boldness, courage, respect- are all values of most militaries through time. Not being timid or “seeing how it goes.” Men “take charge.”
SKIP TO HERE IF YOU DON’T WANT THE PRE AMBLE: The issue isn’t that insufferable women are called insufferable. As you say- that’s true of men at some point in behavior too. The issue is that a woman is labeled as such for the same levels of these traits as a man might be admired for. With a man on the far end (but not over the line much) we might say: “I don’t like him but I respect him.” Or something like that. With a woman we say: “man. She’s a real bitch.”
Now... @famousone- this isn’t a political debate. Not here to drag the POTUS. But- as someone who has supported and defended the actions of the POTUS... can you reconcile where you say “no leader would-“ stop. What? Call their staff morons? Undermine their own experts? Insult the media and politicians and others when they feel disrespected? You are almost describing the Donald to a T here. I’m not saying it as an insult. I’m saying that’s the point. He does it- effect leader showing strength. Ok. But if a woman in your life did that...?
If instead of Greenland it was your brothers apartment and they insisted you sell it to them? If every time they went to a doctor or got a review at work those people were morons, liars, out to get them, etc- would it be so admirable? If they were hell bound on getting their way- if you had weekend leave and if you didn’t take it the way they wanted to they were going to get your pass pulled- but you don’t want what they want, would you think that was not cool?
Perspective young Jedi. If a woman behaves the way out president does you’d say she’s insufferable. Well.... again- I’m not knocking the POTUS. I’m saying that if his behavior is ok- admirable even, then why isn’t it ok for a woman?
His behavior isn't admirable. The results, though...
It's unearned entitlement that gets my goat. All too often I meet a woman who seems alright. Until she perceives disrespect over petty little bullshit. Now if a woman did pull off the things POTUS has, I'd tolerate it because I like the results. I wouldn't date her, though. Not because I'm intimidated, but because I get enough bullshit from my superiors and don't need or want her power plays in my life.
It’s an honest answer, one I won’t question and respect. Personally I’m not a big fan of “peer players” in my circle of close friends if they can’t turn off the “alpha” switch and chill. That’s not a gender issue- just personal preference. But Trump didn’t “become someone” and then start acting that way- he acted that way and became someone. As people who act in such ways often do. Outside of inventors and artists few people make a name on being chill people- especially compared to those who make it big in money or power by being focused on what they want above all else.
It’s the nature of power. The perception of power, the way people respond to others.
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Yeah, I call bullshit on that. Too many men call it aggressive and rude when a woman is challenging them in any way. They call them shrill and loud when they have better arguments and self-centered when they have a career on their own they don't just want to give up for the penis person who thinks of himself as Mr. Right. And come on, "unpleasant"? The fucks's that supposed to mean? (same comment to the same post 6 weeks ago). So, of course there are annoying women, same as there are annoying men. But a general comment like the above makes the guy look like a whiny douche. Which is why of course the usual suspects take his side.
Bravo. Are there people of whatever gender who are just overbearing etc? Sure. But on average s woman will be judged as “overbearing” at a threshold most people would consider acceptable for a man. It’s not funny when a woman wears “men’s” clothes- you don’t see that as a classic gag. It isn’t funny when a woman has a “man’s” hobby like cars or sports. It isn’t funny- played for laughs when a woman has a “man’s” job like Lawyer or ceo. “She’s a woman but she can fight!” “She’s a woman but she’s a smart doctor!” It’s either aspirational- or offensive.
She’s either elevated herself, or “she doesn’t really know sports. Who was the first draft pick of the so and sos last year? Etc...” “she just takes for attention.” “Probe you’re a gamer. What the origin story of this obscure background character?” In other words: “see? She may be able to do ‘guy’ things but I’m still better than her!”
Now men... classic laughs. Put a guy in ladies clothes. Gag in from almost the earliest tv and movies to now. Played for laughs lol before. “He wears women’s underwear!” Etc etc. funny. “House husbands,” men who make less than their female partners, men doing “female” jobs like cutting hair or baking or being a nurse or flight attendant. Joke fodder. Often used in narrative or real life to point out what a “loser” or how sad a man is. To make fun of him.
Because plain and simple- almost no one wants to admit it: many people don’t even realize it about themselves and aren’t inclined to. We laugh when a man does “woman” things because he’s lowering himself- like a clown or self deprecating comedian. When a woman does “man” stuff she is either supposed to be impressive because she can handle “man stuff” and has elevated herself- or people get offended or defensive because she is threatening their self image. It’s plain as day and it isn’t about some humor in defying gender roles because it is more or less a one way street. Almost the only time we laugh at “women doing man stuff” is in a “awe. How cute she’s trying so hard” way- ala I love Lucy etc, or as an often offensive exaggeration most usually aimed at “butch lesbians” or playing on that concept.
It's unearned entitlement that gets my goat. All too often I meet a woman who seems alright. Until she perceives disrespect over petty little bullshit. Now if a woman did pull off the things POTUS has, I'd tolerate it because I like the results. I wouldn't date her, though. Not because I'm intimidated, but because I get enough bullshit from my superiors and don't need or want her power plays in my life.