Nobody wants to take what's ours, much less we want to "go after someone else".
Being a small country in the heart of Europe and still being amongst the leading 5 nations in all industrial indexes in the world has made us a very valuable business partner, not an enemy. The force of our army is absolutely adequate to the level of threat: 0.
The only thing the 40.000 American troops in Germany are actually good for is that they are an economic tribute to the areas where they are stationed. And those 40.000 wouldn't even make a difference in case of an invasion (which to repeat is not intended by anyone).
You want your few soldiers back? Take them for God's sake. They're not here for our protection whatsoever, but for geopolitical reasons. And once you're at it, take your nuclear weapons with you, nobody wants them in this country.
The fact that nobody wants to kill us apparently is unexplainable to Americans.
Let's put it this way: the only times the German Army had to get into action in the last 40 years was to help people who were suffering from natural disasters or to support American war adventures. Those adventures, plus the fact of US troops stationed in our country have made us a temporary target for terrorism, which can't be fought by armies (qed).
If there was no benefit to your country in having troops in ours, they would've been brought back already. Withdrawal of them is not, I repeat, not a threat. It is very comfortable to have some bases in the heart of Europe, when you're fighting endless and senseless wars in middle east. Both material and personnel for both Iraq wars went through Germany, Ramstein is operating the drones down there.
Nobody wants to kill you (except for the people who do).
We do benefit from force projection and convenience, I mean, how in the hell would we get anywhere without you (sarc)? Not as though we've any other allied or neutral parties who could benefit from a similar arrangement. And we sure as hell aren't strong enough to just do whatever we want anyways (sarc).
None of your neighbors are feeling froggy enough to jump. No evil empire trying to fold you behind an Iron Curtain. No genocidal fuck trying to cut off your cheaper natural resources. No wannabe empire destroying or taking over your trade routes.
What can I say except "You're welcome"?
Oh yeah, that's all the achievement of the US. Especially the end of the cold war, which was mainly achieved by polish unions and the reunification of a certain country without shooting a single gun.
I'm highly interested what genocidal fuck you wanna find that possibly could cut us off from resources, as we are triple sourcing every essential resource.
The US is not roaming everywhere in the world to spread love and freedom, but to either defend US interests, or to clean up the mess they did by arming extremists for years until they developed to be a problem.
Whenever there is a problem the world asks "Where's America?".
We secure every major trade route.
We prevent conventional wars with our mere presence.
We are first on the ground to provide major relief in natural disasters.
Meanwhile, y'all are in bed with Russia and Iran. Back in the day Saddam threatened your major oil supply while committing genocide in Iraq and playing at aggressive expansion. Most military actions in the last century were for Europe's benefit.
Now? I agree our presence in Europe is superfluous. I do not care if y'all want to kill eachother off like you've been doing for thousands of years. We ought to shift focus to Asia and the Pacific.
Would you prefer Soviet invasion to the GWOT? Because if we didn't cut off Soviet attempts to take the Middle East and central Asia, they would've had the resources to win.
You can't look at every action as an isolated thing, all of it served a grand strategy of smothering the Soviets and preventing another Eurpean war.
And how did Saddam get into power? Where did Taliban come from? Asking for a friend.
Everything you touch blows up after you dump the guys you armed before in the idea of fighting "the Soviet".
Russia meanwhile has developed a trading empire and watches you guys blow all your money into wars while parts of your people are starving and dying from measles. Put a quarter in your ass cause you played yourself.
Where does the not any longer existent "Soviet" have plans to invade anything while you keep on invading everything?
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The funny part about this argument is that no side is in a position to do shit right now.
Russia is run by Putin and his henchmen, until he retires and then all hell breaks loose. Siberia is already "owned" by the Chinese, who strip mine and take all the natural resources. It is highly dependent on oil prices which have just crashed. The moment something happens to Putin, we're back to good ole vodka-fueled politics, i.e. insanity. People in the West might not like Putin, but he's the guy that keeps the internal weirdos at bay.
Germany likes to play both sides while casually turning a blind eye to its business partners all under the cover of "global trade". Look at its oil and gas deals with Russia, while providing logistical support to US operations throughout the world. It runs the EU and has its middle finger so up France's ass that when Merkl twists it, Macron gets his prostate exammed. In the meantime they get away with subsidising their businesses and the VW thing.
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The US is so in debt with China that it can't face up to it without risking losing access to all its cheap manufacturing. It has literally peeved off every single ally it has by flaunting its power and expecting modern-day vassalage. American is not the greatest country in the world, nor has it ever been. Yet it relies on an internal belief that it is. This brings to the country all the dejects from the military interventions it plays (and played) a role in. Those who believe America is the greatest country in the world.
Meanwhile, profoundly authoritarian dictatorships like China are laughing all the way to the bank. Winnie the Pooh wins.
I already said, it was either the GWOT, or Soviet supremacy. Again, you can't look at any incident in a vacuum.
Russia is not my enemy, she's yours.
And the United States is the greatest, bar none who have ever come before. China needs us far more than we need them, and we don't need those allies to take care of our own affairs. I already said, Euro-centrism was specifically an anti-Soviet or anti-Nazi sentiment. As both are long dead, it's time we fuck off and shift focus to the Pacific, where we have much more to gain.
Why are you both only saying things I've already addressed?
Being a small country in the heart of Europe and still being amongst the leading 5 nations in all industrial indexes in the world has made us a very valuable business partner, not an enemy. The force of our army is absolutely adequate to the level of threat: 0.
The only thing the 40.000 American troops in Germany are actually good for is that they are an economic tribute to the areas where they are stationed. And those 40.000 wouldn't even make a difference in case of an invasion (which to repeat is not intended by anyone).
You want your few soldiers back? Take them for God's sake. They're not here for our protection whatsoever, but for geopolitical reasons. And once you're at it, take your nuclear weapons with you, nobody wants them in this country.
Let's put it this way: the only times the German Army had to get into action in the last 40 years was to help people who were suffering from natural disasters or to support American war adventures. Those adventures, plus the fact of US troops stationed in our country have made us a temporary target for terrorism, which can't be fought by armies (qed).
If there was no benefit to your country in having troops in ours, they would've been brought back already. Withdrawal of them is not, I repeat, not a threat. It is very comfortable to have some bases in the heart of Europe, when you're fighting endless and senseless wars in middle east. Both material and personnel for both Iraq wars went through Germany, Ramstein is operating the drones down there.
We do benefit from force projection and convenience, I mean, how in the hell would we get anywhere without you (sarc)? Not as though we've any other allied or neutral parties who could benefit from a similar arrangement. And we sure as hell aren't strong enough to just do whatever we want anyways (sarc).
None of your neighbors are feeling froggy enough to jump. No evil empire trying to fold you behind an Iron Curtain. No genocidal fuck trying to cut off your cheaper natural resources. No wannabe empire destroying or taking over your trade routes.
What can I say except "You're welcome"?
I'm highly interested what genocidal fuck you wanna find that possibly could cut us off from resources, as we are triple sourcing every essential resource.
The US is not roaming everywhere in the world to spread love and freedom, but to either defend US interests, or to clean up the mess they did by arming extremists for years until they developed to be a problem.
We secure every major trade route.
We prevent conventional wars with our mere presence.
We are first on the ground to provide major relief in natural disasters.
Meanwhile, y'all are in bed with Russia and Iran. Back in the day Saddam threatened your major oil supply while committing genocide in Iraq and playing at aggressive expansion. Most military actions in the last century were for Europe's benefit.
Now? I agree our presence in Europe is superfluous. I do not care if y'all want to kill eachother off like you've been doing for thousands of years. We ought to shift focus to Asia and the Pacific.
Would you prefer Soviet invasion to the GWOT? Because if we didn't cut off Soviet attempts to take the Middle East and central Asia, they would've had the resources to win.
You can't look at every action as an isolated thing, all of it served a grand strategy of smothering the Soviets and preventing another Eurpean war.
Everything you touch blows up after you dump the guys you armed before in the idea of fighting "the Soviet".
Russia meanwhile has developed a trading empire and watches you guys blow all your money into wars while parts of your people are starving and dying from measles. Put a quarter in your ass cause you played yourself.
Where does the not any longer existent "Soviet" have plans to invade anything while you keep on invading everything?
The funny part about this argument is that no side is in a position to do shit right now.
Russia is run by Putin and his henchmen, until he retires and then all hell breaks loose. Siberia is already "owned" by the Chinese, who strip mine and take all the natural resources. It is highly dependent on oil prices which have just crashed. The moment something happens to Putin, we're back to good ole vodka-fueled politics, i.e. insanity. People in the West might not like Putin, but he's the guy that keeps the internal weirdos at bay.
Germany likes to play both sides while casually turning a blind eye to its business partners all under the cover of "global trade". Look at its oil and gas deals with Russia, while providing logistical support to US operations throughout the world. It runs the EU and has its middle finger so up France's ass that when Merkl twists it, Macron gets his prostate exammed. In the meantime they get away with subsidising their businesses and the VW thing.
The US is so in debt with China that it can't face up to it without risking losing access to all its cheap manufacturing. It has literally peeved off every single ally it has by flaunting its power and expecting modern-day vassalage. American is not the greatest country in the world, nor has it ever been. Yet it relies on an internal belief that it is. This brings to the country all the dejects from the military interventions it plays (and played) a role in. Those who believe America is the greatest country in the world.
Meanwhile, profoundly authoritarian dictatorships like China are laughing all the way to the bank. Winnie the Pooh wins.
Russia is not my enemy, she's yours.
And the United States is the greatest, bar none who have ever come before. China needs us far more than we need them, and we don't need those allies to take care of our own affairs. I already said, Euro-centrism was specifically an anti-Soviet or anti-Nazi sentiment. As both are long dead, it's time we fuck off and shift focus to the Pacific, where we have much more to gain.
Why are you both only saying things I've already addressed?