If you actually look you'll find that kids in particular, and healthy people who aren't expected to die within 3 years in general, are at almost no risk of dying of Covid-19, though I did hear about a little girl being shot by rioters and then being listed as a Covid-19 death, so there's that.
Perhaps the children are not at a high risk of death, but that does not exclude the risk of permanent health complications. As a note, the flu is not particularly deadly, but given the right conditions it can lead to pneumonia and other bacterial infections.
And the kids that do have permanent health problems after Covid infection also has those problems prior. Go figure.
And Covid ain't particularly deadly either to anyone who isn't already dying. Yeah, it sucks, but if most of the people dying of Covid were just going to (or actually did) die of cancer, pneumonia, or old age anyways, why ruin the social and educational development of generations of children? People are not meant to be locked up, children least of all.
When the next flu season starts in September and your hospitals are still on capacity breaking point, they'll have to chose if they wanna treat heavy cases of the flu, which admittedly is more deadly than Covid, or the Covid cases.
Times of downplaying are over. People with common sense are more likely locked up for a few weeks than dead. And one year of remote education is far from ruining a generation.
My hospital is empty. Most are nowhere near capacity, even at peak Covid panic.
Time to sensationalize is over. Livelihoods are crumbling, people are falling to despair, and one year SO FAR, has denied my sister and cousins rites of passage, ceremonies, socialization, training in sports, healthy habits, they are being robbed of their start in the world, and especially of the booming economy we spent these last four years stoking. The better future is pushed back, the hope and optimism is fading out, and even shitty teenage romance, childhood sandbox games, and everything else that helps children learn and grow socially, is being stolen from them by your panic.
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· 3 years ago
“Many of you may die, but that’s a risk I’m willing to take”
Except, and read this very carefully, kids are not dying of Covid-19. Even the few that get infected are at less risk than adults. And teachers get sick. Usually with things worse than Covid-19. It comes with the territory of working with children.
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Kids can still get sick and get their families and teachers sick. I’m fact, almost half of all COVID deaths are within the age range of teachers (44-74). Get your head out of your own ass for once and remember that these are still people that are just trying to live their lives. It won’t hurt anyone to keep doing online teaching until this shit is somewhat managed
This shit is managed, and it ain't the 40 year olds at risk, it's the 70+ range. Know this, online schooling is not feasible in this manner, for much longer. People are trying to live their lives, but when a flu would be more lethal, I'm not convinced there's any benefit to shutting everything down for even half this long.
"closing down an entire country puts the entire country at risk" and "re-opening the entire country puts the entire country at risk" can actually both be accurate, and people are really struggling with that right now.
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And for anyone saying closing the country isn't life threatening... domestic violence, child abuse and predation, animal abuse and deaths, home accidents, self-harm, and suicide rates have sky-rocketed. Had the misfortune to speak with a woman just two days ago who had two people kill themselves in the span of 3 weeks.
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I don't know that re-opening the schools is the right idea, but I don't know that keeping them closed indefinitely is, either.
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We don't know how long this pandemic will last. And the virus will never go away. There's a chance that even if they develop a vaccine tomorrow, the elderly may not be able to take it. And just as a thought exercise, I'm curious what happens in that scenario. What if it takes years to develop enough vaccine to make herd immunity a possibility?
Good for you that your hospital is empty today, let's wait for how long.
What you said about the infections being mainly a problem of the southern States along the unprotected border and now knowing you from Idaho, I took the time to go through some figures.
There is not much that compares Idaho and Hamburg, except of both being States in a federal system and interestingly the number of inhabitants.
So both Idaho and Hamburg have around 1.8 to 1.9 million inhabitants, while this number in Idaho is being spread on an area 283 times bigger than Hamburg's.
Still Idaho has reached a total number of cases over 13k, with a constantly rising infection rate, peaking at the moment around 700 new cases per day.
Hamburg had 5k cases so far, infection rate 0-2 in the last week. The corve dropped under 50/d from when masks were obliged in public transport, shops and restaurants.
I know you don't want to hear this and I am sure you'll either find an excuse for the situation or just ignore the facts, but there are working solutions for the problem. Instead of arguing around proven facts about the effectiveness of masks or physical distance, it might be worth getting your heads out of your asses and actually do something.
If in the 7th least dense populated state it's not possible to flatten the curve, how are you to judge states like Florida?
Distance works. Never disputed that. Never judged Florida either. And the curve did flatten. Now we're into the second wave. In case you forgot THAT WAS THE ENTIRE POINT. LITERALLY THE PLAN FROM THE START.
And as I've been saying, the lethality, even inflated as it has been, is well under one percent.
And I'm ashamed to say, haven't been to Idaho lately. Kinda stuck in Texas, doing my job as a medic.
Such things tend to happen when you have hypoxia and a high fever. Especially if those suffering the effects already have conditions that can cause or aggravate brain or kidney problems.
Well you started your statement by addressing famousone, and then ended it by pluralizing heads. Granted men tend to have more heads than women, but usually the second one doesn't get drawn into the conversation in such a manner.
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Side note: they've been talking about the long term side effects since this all started. But the virus hasn't actually been around long enough in humans to know ANY of them for certain. Hell, pneumonia can cause permanent scarring on your lungs, too (which was one of the original "long term side effects) they started talking about for covid. Leishmaniasis can cause permanent damage to your liver or even kill you, yet many people walk around without bugspray in countries where it is common.
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Not saying don't take it seriously. But our data is sorely lacking, and not necessarily extraordinary as of yet.
The issue isn’t the students, it’s the teachers. Many are older and at-risk and something like 20% of all teachers surveyed said they would quit before going back. Add that to the already 100k teacher shortage and multiply that by the fact that to maintain social distancing you would have to double or triple the number of classes to reduce headcount in each class then factor it to the degree that there aren’t enough classrooms to do that in the first place and it all equals: Not possible to completely reopen. Hybrid and parallel on-line/on-site solutions are the only ones viable.
Sounds like an excellent opportunity to revamp education. First order of business, get the feds and unions out of education. Secondly, force regional and state governments to be accountable.
Thirdly, streamline the funds. That multi-million dollar bill can go to teachers and classrooms, rather than the superintendent's new BMW and home loan.
While we're at it, lay down the groundwork for school choice. Even more charter schools would be a dramatic improvement.
That’s just revamping the financial side of it. This could be an opportunity for a real shift in how we teach. We have technology now that removes human limitations on which a lot of traditional education is based on. Why do we have grades anymore? We can teach to the individual and age is irrelevant. Media and methodologies can be tailored to meet each student’s learning strengths. Standardized testing, hell, testing in general isn’t really necessary in its current form. More efficient learning time means more free time for kids to exercise, socialize, and relax which reduces stress.
The problem (at least in my opinion) is that the virus has been so politicized in American media. USA is one of, if not the, most politically charged nation on the planet, and even a small matter is blown into left and right wing politics.
Doesn't help that every other country is pointing at America and being like "see how shit they are?? See how much BETTER we are?? Can you BELIEVE how little the care about their citizens??"
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Bitch, since this all started Italy was encouraging people to hug each other, China welded it's citizens in their homes, Brazil's stopped counting their death toll, Canada has it's biggest mass shooting (and since has implemented irrational laws) not to mention the beach photos I posted the other day, israel started using anti-terrorism surveillance on it's own citizens, the leader of at least one country declared himself more or less permanent, new Zealand's been crowing like the cat with the cream because they've got "0 cases" (population size again?) After it's citizens started reporting each other for going for walks, and North Korea still exists. We're all fucked and nobody knows what it's doing, people should get off their damned high horses
I mean, New Zealand's (kinda) quick response and decent leadership was what got things through so fast, and the fact that it's a rather isolated place. The economy took a hit (especially in Queenstown), but bounced back fast. Although Ashley Bloomfield kinda got thrown under the bus a bit when cases started coming back in from other countries, and when Australia hit a low number of cases.
And Covid ain't particularly deadly either to anyone who isn't already dying. Yeah, it sucks, but if most of the people dying of Covid were just going to (or actually did) die of cancer, pneumonia, or old age anyways, why ruin the social and educational development of generations of children? People are not meant to be locked up, children least of all.
Times of downplaying are over. People with common sense are more likely locked up for a few weeks than dead. And one year of remote education is far from ruining a generation.
Time to sensationalize is over. Livelihoods are crumbling, people are falling to despair, and one year SO FAR, has denied my sister and cousins rites of passage, ceremonies, socialization, training in sports, healthy habits, they are being robbed of their start in the world, and especially of the booming economy we spent these last four years stoking. The better future is pushed back, the hope and optimism is fading out, and even shitty teenage romance, childhood sandbox games, and everything else that helps children learn and grow socially, is being stolen from them by your panic.
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And for anyone saying closing the country isn't life threatening... domestic violence, child abuse and predation, animal abuse and deaths, home accidents, self-harm, and suicide rates have sky-rocketed. Had the misfortune to speak with a woman just two days ago who had two people kill themselves in the span of 3 weeks.
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I don't know that re-opening the schools is the right idea, but I don't know that keeping them closed indefinitely is, either.
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What you said about the infections being mainly a problem of the southern States along the unprotected border and now knowing you from Idaho, I took the time to go through some figures.
There is not much that compares Idaho and Hamburg, except of both being States in a federal system and interestingly the number of inhabitants.
So both Idaho and Hamburg have around 1.8 to 1.9 million inhabitants, while this number in Idaho is being spread on an area 283 times bigger than Hamburg's.
Still Idaho has reached a total number of cases over 13k, with a constantly rising infection rate, peaking at the moment around 700 new cases per day.
Hamburg had 5k cases so far, infection rate 0-2 in the last week. The corve dropped under 50/d from when masks were obliged in public transport, shops and restaurants.
If in the 7th least dense populated state it's not possible to flatten the curve, how are you to judge states like Florida?
And thanks for the fruitful contribution to the discussion. :-*
And as I've been saying, the lethality, even inflated as it has been, is well under one percent.
And I'm ashamed to say, haven't been to Idaho lately. Kinda stuck in Texas, doing my job as a medic.
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Side note: they've been talking about the long term side effects since this all started. But the virus hasn't actually been around long enough in humans to know ANY of them for certain. Hell, pneumonia can cause permanent scarring on your lungs, too (which was one of the original "long term side effects) they started talking about for covid. Leishmaniasis can cause permanent damage to your liver or even kill you, yet many people walk around without bugspray in countries where it is common.
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Not saying don't take it seriously. But our data is sorely lacking, and not necessarily extraordinary as of yet.
Thirdly, streamline the funds. That multi-million dollar bill can go to teachers and classrooms, rather than the superintendent's new BMW and home loan.
While we're at it, lay down the groundwork for school choice. Even more charter schools would be a dramatic improvement.
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Bitch, since this all started Italy was encouraging people to hug each other, China welded it's citizens in their homes, Brazil's stopped counting their death toll, Canada has it's biggest mass shooting (and since has implemented irrational laws) not to mention the beach photos I posted the other day, israel started using anti-terrorism surveillance on it's own citizens, the leader of at least one country declared himself more or less permanent, new Zealand's been crowing like the cat with the cream because they've got "0 cases" (population size again?) After it's citizens started reporting each other for going for walks, and North Korea still exists. We're all fucked and nobody knows what it's doing, people should get off their damned high horses