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famousone
· 4 years ago
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If God wants you to die, bulletproof glass won't help you.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
If we view things from a religious perspective- it certainly seems like it’s not a very strong faith in God to do much of anything is it? Why would you bother to wipe your as$? If the lord wanted you to have a clean a$s, wouldn’t the lord make it so? Well... that sounds wrong doesn’t it? Christians believe God sacrificed the son, Jesus Christ, to pay for our sins. But then- why not just stop us from sinning- or wink the universe into a state of no sins?
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guest_
· 4 years ago
That is a pointless debate as wether you believe there is a god or not, or could be a god- a mortal wouldn’t be capable of understanding the logic of said god any more than an any can understand tax codes for New Jersey independent contractors.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
So then- we know that the world isn’t perfect- or not “perfect” to what the Bible says the ideal should be. So if one believes in a god- for SOME reason, that is the world that god has created, and tasked humans to “do better.”
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guest_
· 4 years ago
So the bullet proof glass would be less about not “trusting god” or “having faith in god” and more about not trusting Humans. In the early 80’s a pope was shot and killed. So it happens. If it happens- it’s all “part of God’s plan,” is a religious way of saying: “It all works out isn’t the end..” Christians believe that 2,000 odd years ago Jesus Christ was killed for humanities sins, and supposedly this plan starts before the Earth was formed billions of years ago. So how someone getting killed or not today has some bearing on things a billion years or more from now on the grand scheme of gods plan, who knows? We’ll likely all be dead.
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jd1984
· 4 years ago
God didn't "stop us from sinning- or wink the universe into a state of no sins" because he wants us to learn on our own to create it for ourselves. If he just gives us everything we learn nothing and become dependent.
jd1984
· 4 years ago
That's why he gave us freewill, to create or destroy life as we will.
guest_
· 4 years ago
That would be the logical deduction. Or one of several. It is largely speculation, as we couldn’t understand the logic of a being that is immortal, all seeing, existing at all moments simultaneously- or... well... we don’t even know the particulars of the state of existence here. But logically, we must assume that if we take for granted the idea of intelligent design and an over arching purpose- either free will exists and has a purpose, or it does not- which would make it beyond our understanding why we would be “punished” for events we have no control over. There is a stark difference between the outcome of a choice being known to an observer (God- all present and knowing all things for all time), and not having a choice and an observer already having a “script”, even if the two are effectively the same in the perspective that the outcome is known.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
So one logical assumption, from our own logic, would be that we were given freewill as part of some plan for self realization. Or perhaps it is that love and obedience without choice to do so is meaningless,empty at least from a human perspective. Perhaps we must be “trained” to become more than we are- this could all be a sort of experiment to create, eventually- the one thing that maybe a god could not- an equal, but such a being, in being evolved and ascending, would be very dangerous if not properly tempered. Perhaps free will is a bet between god and the devil, another possibility: that the entirety of history until Armageddon is simply to teach Satan a lesson that he could never bear god, and in so doing perhaps “reform” the devil and get the stubborn fallen one to repent.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
I think that we can all believe what seems to make the most sense to us more or less- but I’d certainly agree that from a biblical narrative that the idea of free will or even if you subscribe to the idea there is no evil in man except what the devil puts there- both imply the same thing. God let it happen. Either god is all powerful and if god didn’t want Satan to be evil could make him good, of god didn’t want Adam to eat the apple- he knew Adam would- and didn’t stop it; or god isn’t all powerful which defies basically every major Abrahamic religion. That god “can’t” alter people’s thoughts of feelings, or somehow can’t see or predict everything with accuracy, or some such thing. In abrahamic faiths these concepts are blasphemous, and there isn’t really support for them in the literature beyond some circumstantial evidence of phrasing.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
“Why does god let bad things happen...” well.. biblically we were kicked out of paradise and the faithful get to return there, possibly after having been properly vetted and steeled against “bad behavior” on earth. “Why was Adam allowed to eat the apple...” “Why was the serpent allowed to tempt them?” “Why was Lucifer allowed to rebel?” Now- these latter questions are far more interesting and intelligent questions than the first question, which is the most common and simplistic question.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
We don’t know. We can speculate and such, but we don’t know. Nothing about the talkings of the “revelations” or other abrahamic prophecy tell us about the end of the universe- at most we get the end of humanity, maybe the earth or humanity on earth, perhaps the end of what has been made known- but nowhere does it say that is the end of all things beyond heaven, or that god couldn’t just kick up Universe 2- or hell- that this isn’t already universe 897,473.5 and god hasn’t been on this ride before. It’s our first time as far as we know.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
So with that said- science and religion have at least one very important thing in common- neither can tell us when or how the Universe ends, or humanity for that matter. We can speculate based on what we know, but we don’t and for all practical purposes probably never will, have all the information. We just aren’t built for it. There are whole aspects of the universe we can’t see, can barely perceive- and that’s just the stuff we KNOW we don’t know- there’s also the stuff we don’t know that we don’t know.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
You can’t invalidate gods with science because science doesn’t prove things are impossible, or proves what is observable and measurable. No one has yet proved gods using science- and you may not be able to as the thing about finding a sentient being, especially an omnipotent one- is that it has to want you to. To that point- we fairly routinely discover new forms of life or believed extinct life here in earth.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
Earth is very small compared to the entirety of the universe known and or unknown. We’ve explored about 5% of our oceans. We know for a fact there are aquatic species we have never seen. We occasionally find them. So then- if we cannot prove a giant squid exists it must not exist? Hardly. Having discovered giant squid we know they exist- so saying a giant squid could never possibly exist because we hadn’t found it seems a bit moronic doesn’t it? Unless we wait for a happy accident, we seldom discover anything new unless someone believes that it is there and looks for it. So saying god doesn’t exist would be as much a self fulfilling and blind prophecy as it is alleged to say one believes god does exist.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
It all gets very complicated, very high concept, and it is a bit conceited to say that one could understand the mind of a being that could create a planet or invent novel and complex life. So we have theory, we have that which we feel is right or which allows us to conceptualize. I think you have a valid theory or at least hypothesis on the matter. One of several valid ones I would say- but by and large most aren’t better or worse than any other.
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nelson
· 4 years ago
The glass is to protect us
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smorris017
· 4 years ago
Maybe humans created god so we could do better. Or so we could justify our idiodicy.
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