He makes some valid points- but also- the word I think they were looking for is “fetus,” not “baby.” That isn’t some philosophical thing- quite literally by definition from the start of the stages where an embryo becomes a fetus until birth it is a fetus- once born it is a baby.
Insisting on calling a fetus a baby is quite literally like calling any human who has reached a stage where they can procreate an adult- hopefully we can all agree that considering such a person as an “adult” is not something we should do for soooo many reasons.
While the term “baby” certain tugs at the heart strings more than the term “fetus,” changing the definition of development to suit one’s agenda is a VERY dangerous thing- as per my previous example. Of course suicide is the 12th leading chase of death in the USA- so if you ask those people well… they might say they’d have preferred to be snorted right? That’s a stupid argument isn’t it? Suicide is more complicated than that…
… and asking dead organisms about their preferences is not really feasible nor would it likely be extremely productive no? But of course the argument that aborted fetuses might argue against abortion is stupid. Abortion is more complicated as well and the same applies as to asking dead organisms things- but think about it- derp- 99.9999% of abortions are had by…. People who grew up from babies that weren’t aborted as fetuses right? So if you could go back in time and not abort a random female fetus- there would be a chance that regardless of how that fetus answered your question about abortion that it would grow up and… have an abortion… derp. And of course we know that politicians and advocates against abortion have been caught at the same time they are speaking against abortion or trying to remove access- getting abortions or suggesting to wives or mistresses etc. that they get an abortion if they get pregnant….
So whatever someone answers of you ask them what they think about abortion doesn’t really matter as much as wether that person has an abortion or convinces or hopes for another to get an abortion right?
It’s pretty derpy. Like- if you ask someone “do you want to be so poor you can’t afford food or a place to live..?” Most people will probably say “no” right? But then ask people how they feel about social welfare or immigration or any number of topics dealing with OTHER people facing those circumstances and they often will feel differently about SOMEONE ELSE facing those things if it is to their sensibilities no?
It’s just a dumb a$s way of thinking- “ask a fetus..” derp derp. Ask the kid that mined the battery in your devices if they’d like to do that or live in the suburbs or ever “western poverty” and what will most probably say?
I can tell you the difference though- if you haven’t spotted it already.
To help that kid mining batteries or the kid melting down old e waste or the kid breaking ships or kid without regular food or clean water who may even be down the street or a short drive from you- that requires YOU to give something up or to make sacrifices or to actually do something and change your ability to live your life the way you are used to. To try and stop an abortion puts all the sacrifices and burdens on the person who would consider an abortion- you just have to complain. You don’t have to take any steps or give any money or lift a finger besides maybe to type a complaint or a letter or say an unkind word or such. Miserable things that miserable people often enjoy doing anyway.
If you love babies and kids so much and human life is so important to you- go actually do something to help the babies and kids and humans in the world right now suffering. That actually takes work or sacrifice though so..
It it possible to both be against abortion and do things to help children, but yes, appealing to the opinion of the aborted isn't a particularly strong line of argument.
I agree, and I apologize as my statements imply the two are mutually exclusive. How much effort or time or what effort or time we put in to various things we believe in can be a complex subject and just because a person has a cause they are passionate about or they advocate on doesn’t mean they can’t care about or do work towards other things. I could qualify this statement on specifics of the matter, but as a general rule I agree and we cannot say or imply one thing is true of all people of a group when it is not universally true of all.
Insisting on calling a fetus a baby is quite literally like calling any human who has reached a stage where they can procreate an adult- hopefully we can all agree that considering such a person as an “adult” is not something we should do for soooo many reasons.
While the term “baby” certain tugs at the heart strings more than the term “fetus,” changing the definition of development to suit one’s agenda is a VERY dangerous thing- as per my previous example. Of course suicide is the 12th leading chase of death in the USA- so if you ask those people well… they might say they’d have preferred to be snorted right? That’s a stupid argument isn’t it? Suicide is more complicated than that…
It’s pretty derpy. Like- if you ask someone “do you want to be so poor you can’t afford food or a place to live..?” Most people will probably say “no” right? But then ask people how they feel about social welfare or immigration or any number of topics dealing with OTHER people facing those circumstances and they often will feel differently about SOMEONE ELSE facing those things if it is to their sensibilities no?
It’s just a dumb a$s way of thinking- “ask a fetus..” derp derp. Ask the kid that mined the battery in your devices if they’d like to do that or live in the suburbs or ever “western poverty” and what will most probably say?
To help that kid mining batteries or the kid melting down old e waste or the kid breaking ships or kid without regular food or clean water who may even be down the street or a short drive from you- that requires YOU to give something up or to make sacrifices or to actually do something and change your ability to live your life the way you are used to. To try and stop an abortion puts all the sacrifices and burdens on the person who would consider an abortion- you just have to complain. You don’t have to take any steps or give any money or lift a finger besides maybe to type a complaint or a letter or say an unkind word or such. Miserable things that miserable people often enjoy doing anyway.
If you love babies and kids so much and human life is so important to you- go actually do something to help the babies and kids and humans in the world right now suffering. That actually takes work or sacrifice though so..