I personally am pro-life but I don't believe we should dictate each others lives, so I agree with Pro-choice laws.
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If you believe that each individual has the right to make that decision for herself - even if you would never have an abortion - then your views are pro-choice.
I still have a major problem with this topic. If a man and woman conceive a child and the father wants to keep it and the mother does not, she can get an abortion and there is NOTHING the would-be father can do about it. Assuming the father is willing and able to provide for the child and he's not a rapist (or the other billion "what if" scenarios), he should have a say.
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I do agree that the father should have some say, but please keep in mind he is not the one who has to carry the baby. Pregnancy can be very difficult for some women!
Don't forget that if the woman wants the baby and the man doesn't, he's forced to pay tons of money to take care of it even if he's never allowed to even see the kid.
Well, if he doesn't want the baby, I don't see how "even if he's never allowed to see the kid" is relevant. But child support is good when used properly. Plenty of people use it for their own things like shopping or dates, but if you use it to actually pay the bills and to do things for your kid, then it's good.
My friend got some girl pregnant and wanted her to get an abortion. She wanted to have the baby and decided to get a restraining order for whatever reason (I have no idea what excuse she used to get it). He now has to pay some ridiculous amount of child support and can't have any contact with his son. Just because he thought it would be a better idea for them as a couple to get an abortion doesn't mean he wants to be completely cut off if they have the baby. And if he's the one paying for everything why shouldn't he be the one to take care of the kid if he wants to?
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see his child, it's just that the court didn't know him personally and it's a lot more likely for him to turn out to be abusive and dangerous than the girl.
I'm very pro-choice, not that I think people should just get an abortion everytime they have an unwanted pregnancy, but because if they really don't want to be pregnant and have a kid because of the circumstances, they shouldn't have to. Countries like Ireland where it's illegal to have an abortion do my head in, because what right have the government got to take women's rights away? You know? #rantover
the baby is their own person, you just don't have the right to take away their life, sure their brains are undeveloped, but scientists have proven that they can feel pain
google unborn babies can feel pain and go on the first website
this is true, and who gave you the right to kill someone else? no one really gives a damn if they're your kids or not, you don't have the right to do that to anyone
disgusting baby killers, i hope you realise what you're doing and stop for their sake
It's not that their brains are undeveloped that's the big issue, it's the question of when does life begin? Obviously you believe it begins while the baby is still in the womb (perhaps the moment the egg is fertilized by the sperm), but some believe that life doesn't begin until the baby is born and out of the mother. So, if the baby isn't alive until birthed, then abortion isn't killing.
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Guest, learn the difference between an embryo and a fetus. Abortions are performed before the baby is developed enough to feel it. I do not support abortion late in pregnancy when the fetus can feel and think.
babies have equal rights to the mothers, just because their brains aren't fully developed, doesn't mean they're not people, that's like saying people with dementia and alzheimers don't have rights
So if you were a raped women without a good home, get pregnant from rape. Not able to take a proper care even of yourself, you would still bear a kid that will be probably underdeveloped all life long suffering from it and will be resembling you of that man. If you survive pregnancy. Do you have a guts to say this woman should not have right to decide?
Assuming you're replying to me (and, for some reason, you're not using the "reply" button), that is controversial. Like I said, some scientists believe life begins when the egg is first fertilized and others believe it begins when the baby is out of the womb.
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Some reactions to stimuli are just muscle reflexes. They aren't conscious movements and the brain doesn't perceive them. Comparing an embryo to adults with dementia or Alzheimer's is ridiculous; those are people who have memories, emotions, experiences and loved ones. Unwanted embryos have none of those things.
No, you are stopping its development and growth. Because, as I've said time and time again, it is an ongoing debate as to when life begins. Is it when the egg is fertilized or when the baby is birthed?
when the egg is fertilized. Babies can feel pain and begin to establish a memory at just a few weeks old. babies can be born and kept alive at 5 months, or aborted at 5 months, so is he/she just a human if they are wanted?
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At the point when the fetus can form memories and live outside the womb, it is too late for an abortion in my opinion. We're talking about early abortion that terminates an embryo, not a fetus. There is a difference.
it's just not your choice to kill another person, at any stage of their life. full stop
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Sorry, I thought you were interested in actually debating. If your mind is completely set with no room for argument, there's not much point in talking.
So, there are four possibilities: . The fetus is a person, and we know that;. The fetus is a person, but we don't know that;. The fetus isn't a person, but we don't know that;. The fetus isn't a person, and we know that.. What is abortion in each of these four cases?In Case 1, where the fetus is a person and you know that, abortion is murder. First-degree murder, in fact. You deliberately kill an innocent human being.In Case 2, where the fetus is a person and you don't know that, abortion is manslaughter. It's like driving over a man-shaped overcoat in the street at night or shooting toxic chemicals into a building that you're not sure is fully evacuated. You're not sure there is a person there, but you're not sure there isn't either, and it just so happens that there is a person there, and you kill him. You cannot plead ignorance. True, you didn't know there was a person there, but you didn't know there wasn't either, so your act was literally the height of irresponsibility. This is t
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Please finish your thoughts. I'd like to read the rest of this.
This is the act Roe allowed.In Case 3, the fetus isn't a person, but you don't know that. So abortion is just as irresponsible as it is in the previous case. You ran over the overcoat or fumigated the building without knowing that there were no persons there. You were lucky; there weren't. But you didn't care; you didn't take care; you were just as irresponsible. You cannot legally be charged with manslaughter, since no man was slaughtered, but you can and should be charged with criminal negligence.Only in Case 4 is abortion a reasonable, permissible, and responsible choice. But note: What makes Case 4 permissible is not merely the fact that the fetus is not a person but also your knowledge that it is not, your overcoming of skepticism. So skepticism counts not for abortion but against it. Only if you are not a skeptic, only if you are a dogmatist, only if you are certain that there is no person in the fetus, no man in the coat, or no person in the building, may you abort, drive, or fu
or fumigate.This undercuts even our weakest, least honest escape: to pretend that we don't even know what an apple is, just so we have an excuse for pleading that we don't know what an abortion is.
Guys guys guys come on please dont get in a belief war here. Your opinion your choice your life. I am pro life but don't get in peoples faces about it. This is the funsubstance a place for lolz and laughter, not for controversial topics. Please leave your beliefs at the mouse and gather together for a good time of fun and creativity.
Well when people post pictures like this it kind of sparks debates... It's like me saying zebra then telling you not to think about zebras, doesn't really work.
Honestly, the baby is a mindless parasite for much of the pregnancy. Sometimes there are reasons for terminating. Adoption isn't always a viable choice. (I'm also speaking as a woman who is 6 months pregnant and obviously keeping my baby.)
unless the woman carrying the baby has serious health problems, or drug problems, adoption is ALWAYS a viable choice. and for those two deciding factors, the proposed new parents will have the final say. I know someone who was impregnated during date rape, smoked weed and the people who she chose to give her baby too didn't care about any of it. If you can't take care of the baby that you created, then someone else will give it a better life than you could have ever offered.
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To clarify my parasite comment: I mean that literally the baby does not have brain functioning capable of awareness until fairly late.
Adoption is great when it's possible. There are issues though of long waiting times. Children with disabilities often stay in the system for many years and may never be adopted. If the disabilities are a direct result of a mother being unable to provide a safe environment in the womb, don't you think that in some cases it might be better for her to terminate? Yes, there are some wonderful people who will adopt any child, but there aren't enough of them.
And let's not forget how expensive pregnancy can me. I mean, those doctor bills add up and some people really don't have that kind of money. Or what if you're some type of model or you're in a profession where it's important for your body to stay skinny or fit? Pregnancy could ruin your career. Honesty, it's different for everyone and that's why I don't think we should make abortion illegal because it's not the same for every woman and you shouldn't treat it as though it is.
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It can be expensive in terms of lost wages as well. To give a personal example, between my first and second trimesters of my current pregnancy I got severe morning sickness that lasted all day and night. Medication helped just enough to sometimes keep down soup broth and water. I was on bed rest for three weeks and unable to work. If you have a full time job with benefits you can take medical leave, but I don't qualify. Thankfully I had support from my husband and family, but it would be quite different if I were a single mother living alone.
Other careers involve exposure to dangerous environments. It's not easy to switch careers quickly, especially if you're visibly pregnant. Although it's illegal to discriminate against pregnant women, employers can find other excuses not to hire.
well we need to decide when someone becomes a human being. We're told not to smoke, because it hurts unborn babies, but it's fine to kill them?!
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When a woman chooses to get pregnant, she forms a bond with her child early on and tries to do everything to keep it safe. That is entirely different from an unwanted pregnancy.
Child mortality rates were much higher then. I think that forms of abortion have been practiced for a very long time. Before modern abortion, desperate women would sometimes abandon their newborns in a river or maybe on someone's doorstep. The babies often died. Do you think that's a better alternative? The child is conscious at that point, unlike as an embryo.
guys, the world is already overpopulated! so if imagine the state of the world if there were 53 million more people (and i think this number is wrong. i think its closer to the billions but i'm not sure. i remember being told in catholic school that it was that number in 1995 [but hey it was catholic school]))
ok sure women have rights, but the babies will someday be women and men too, and scientists have proven them to be alive-this is why we're not encouraged to smoke or take drugs while pregnant-Because the baby deserves protection at his or her most vulnerable stage of life and if you, the mother, kill it, what does that make you? Someone who stood up for your own right? No. Your body, your control. You can't control your born children and kill them, because they're not you. Same deal with embryos. They are human beings who feel pain and have brains and souls too, and it's wrong to kill humans, full stop. End of story. You have rights over your OWN body, not your baby's.
So woman that has no chance to take proper care while pregnant should kill herself?
"No money for doctor appoitment? For milk (undernourished woman can not breastfeed)? Do not worry just kill yourself."
AlmostEveryone on this site believe its ok to kill babies lets not judge them but hope that one day they'll realise how naive they're being
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Funny that you should mention naive.
Previous guest, embryos have undeveloped brains and do not feel pain. Whether or not they have souls depends on your religious beliefs. Obviously they are alive, but that doesn't mean that they need greater rights than the mother. The doctor's recommendations of not drinking or smoking only apply if the mother is planning to keep the baby.
Well, people want to have sex. It's often an important aspect of relationships even if you don't want to have kids. I think sex is some sort of way to get closer to your partner and express your love for them (which, I suppose, is why they call it "love-making"). So couples will do that even if the purpose isn't to conceive a child.
if you make love without wanting to make babies you need to protect yourself, if it happens to remain pregnant I think is a responsibility as a mother and a father to agree to raise the baby
in my world there are no unwanted babies just scared adults - you will fall in love after you see him/her all the babies are beautiful angels.
hope everybody is responsible use protection or take action and rise the babies.
well babies can feel pain, they are people too, and we were all that once. it doens't matter if you don't want the embryo, it's murder, plain and simple. you just don't have the right to end someone else's life like that, to's not your decision to make
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Babies feel pain, embryos don't. Babies are humans, embryos are pre-humans. It's not murder if it isn't a human yet.
see his child, it's just that the court didn't know him personally and it's a lot more likely for him to turn out to be abusive and dangerous than the girl.
google unborn babies can feel pain and go on the first website
this is true, and who gave you the right to kill someone else? no one really gives a damn if they're your kids or not, you don't have the right to do that to anyone
disgusting baby killers, i hope you realise what you're doing and stop for their sake
Adoption is great when it's possible. There are issues though of long waiting times. Children with disabilities often stay in the system for many years and may never be adopted. If the disabilities are a direct result of a mother being unable to provide a safe environment in the womb, don't you think that in some cases it might be better for her to terminate? Yes, there are some wonderful people who will adopt any child, but there aren't enough of them.
Other careers involve exposure to dangerous environments. It's not easy to switch careers quickly, especially if you're visibly pregnant. Although it's illegal to discriminate against pregnant women, employers can find other excuses not to hire.
"No money for doctor appoitment? For milk (undernourished woman can not breastfeed)? Do not worry just kill yourself."
Previous guest, embryos have undeveloped brains and do not feel pain. Whether or not they have souls depends on your religious beliefs. Obviously they are alive, but that doesn't mean that they need greater rights than the mother. The doctor's recommendations of not drinking or smoking only apply if the mother is planning to keep the baby.
in my world there are no unwanted babies just scared adults - you will fall in love after you see him/her all the babies are beautiful angels.
hope everybody is responsible use protection or take action and rise the babies.