Again, what is "paying your employees well"? Do you really think some highschool dropout flipping $3 burgers is worth $15 an hour to ANYONE?! A freaking monkey can do that job.
Stop thinking you're more valuable than you are, do your freaking job, do it well, and advance in the business or find another better paying job with the experience you gained at that minimum wage job.
These are STARTING jobs we're talking about, not careers.
Btw, "fair" pay is what the particular industry determines.
If restaurant "A" pays $8.50 an hour while almost every other restaurant pays $15, then $15 an hour is "fair pay" in that industry/city, and restaurant "A" will likely not find help until they pay a higher wage. But if $8.50 is the going rate, $8.50 IS A FAIR WAGE.
If computer programmers average $100,000 a year and Microsoft only offers $50,000, they will go out of business. $100,000, give or take, is fair in that example.
Both of you missed the point, you're looking at it as employees complaining about pay when in fact the post is about employers complaining about having to pay fair pay.... for example if a business adds regular pay to your next check instead of paying you due overtime
I do agree with guestwho if it is the employee complaining though. I left a job I worked at for six years because they wanted to keep adding responsibilities to my job but not increase my pay, basically asking me to do a supervisors job without giving me the title or pay of a supervisor.
There ya go; freedom. And no, I didn't miss the point. The employer complaint here is in having to double pay their salaried employees. You pay someone a salary to do a job - usually a demanding job - no matter how many hours it may take. Some days may be longer, some may be shorter. Obama wants to make these employers pay time and a half in addition to their salary for anything worked over 40 hours. Salaried positions almost always entail more than 40 hour work weeks. That's paying your employees twice for the same job.
In order to try and stay in business, many owners will be forced to switch their higher level employees to hourly pay. This will make it harder to get and keep good help at the higher levels we are talking about here. For the moment, Obama is looking at the under $50,000 a year range; which primarily means we're talking about retail and small business positions; businesses in which the profit margin for the owners is pennies on the dollar. Most cannot afford this.
I'm well aware of how salary works I missed that in the title. There are businesses who try to get over on hourly workers by not paying them for overtime but instead paying them their regular pay and just adding it on to the next check and that's what I assumed the post was talking about, until I fully read the title. The job I had was in retail but it was a bit box retail store hardly a small business.
Yeah that kind of thing is a problem. I don't think it's very widespread but I have heard of such shenanigans. I've had a job or two where they made you go home early the next day if you worked over so they still got what they wanted, I just didn't get overtime. Of course, then they bitched because I didn't get all my work done because they made me leave early.
Shouldnt "fair" be decided by the person getting hired? The OP is concerning themselfe far to much with the employer. If the pay isnt worth it, dont take the job....period. Its that easy.
Ignoring that fact that word "fairly" is rather nebulous in this context, it would be more accurate to say that they don't have a viable business model.
My mother works in a business that employs both salary and hourly workers. Salary workers are expected to be on call 24/7. She usually works 6 days a week and 12hrs a day even though she is only scheduled 45hrs a week. That's not counting all of the work and calls she does from home.They always call their salary workers in because the don't want to pay an hourly worker overtime. They are very open about this. If you divide it out, She makes less per hour than some of the people age is over. She would love to change jobs but cannot find anything to get close to her pay. It really sucks.
It sounds like your mother is in need of a certain level of income and she was lucky enough to find a company willing to give her that money in exchange for an amount of effort/time she was willing to put in. Sounds like she should be a little bit more appreciative of the company whos giving her a better opportunity than what she can find anywhere else.
As was the assumption that their mother was unappreciative..... look we can keep going around in circles but you are getting the kids perspective not the mothers....
My mother has been with the company for almost 20yrs. She worked her ass off to get the pay that she has which isn't all that much considering how long she has been there , $48000. She appreciates having the job but is exhausted everyday. She just doesn't want to go from what she makes now to minimum wage which is all that is available here unless she goes back to school. She is a single mom and I had to help raise my sisters because she worked so much to try to give us a good life. I missed her. My dad is a scumbag who never helped.
Exactly. They seem to think business owners have huge stacks of cash sitting around and are just greedy. They also seem to think that these employees who don't get paid what they think they deserve are slaves who cannot look for a better paying job.
Who in hell gets to decidewhat is "fair"???
If you take a job making $8 an hour you obviously must think it's fair enough. If you take that job then bitch about your pay being "unfair" fuck you!
If you don't think you're getting what you deserve find another job!
No one owes you a damn thing!
According to the title, this post is referring to businesses complaining about paying employees over time not about workers complaining about making minimum wage as you seem to think.
No this is about the same socialist bullshit that says McDonald's employees should make $15 an hour.
"Salaried" employees are paid to do a job, not to work a certain number of hours. When you are on salary you are expected to put in whatever amount of time it takes to get done what you are being paid to get done, regardless how many hours a week it takes. This is why salaried employees are paid a set salary, and why that salary is typically much more than the hourly wage. Businesses simply cannot afford to pay their salaried employees the higher salaries that their jobs warrant and then pay them hourly on top. Where do you think this "controversy" came from?
This is simply one more straw man from the Obama administration to distract us.
Stop thinking you're more valuable than you are, do your freaking job, do it well, and advance in the business or find another better paying job with the experience you gained at that minimum wage job.
These are STARTING jobs we're talking about, not careers.
If restaurant "A" pays $8.50 an hour while almost every other restaurant pays $15, then $15 an hour is "fair pay" in that industry/city, and restaurant "A" will likely not find help until they pay a higher wage. But if $8.50 is the going rate, $8.50 IS A FAIR WAGE.
If computer programmers average $100,000 a year and Microsoft only offers $50,000, they will go out of business. $100,000, give or take, is fair in that example.
I don't try to be controversial, I try to educate. Not everyone wants to learn.
In order to try and stay in business, many owners will be forced to switch their higher level employees to hourly pay. This will make it harder to get and keep good help at the higher levels we are talking about here. For the moment, Obama is looking at the under $50,000 a year range; which primarily means we're talking about retail and small business positions; businesses in which the profit margin for the owners is pennies on the dollar. Most cannot afford this.
If you take a job making $8 an hour you obviously must think it's fair enough. If you take that job then bitch about your pay being "unfair" fuck you!
If you don't think you're getting what you deserve find another job!
No one owes you a damn thing!
"Salaried" employees are paid to do a job, not to work a certain number of hours. When you are on salary you are expected to put in whatever amount of time it takes to get done what you are being paid to get done, regardless how many hours a week it takes. This is why salaried employees are paid a set salary, and why that salary is typically much more than the hourly wage. Businesses simply cannot afford to pay their salaried employees the higher salaries that their jobs warrant and then pay them hourly on top. Where do you think this "controversy" came from?
This is simply one more straw man from the Obama administration to distract us.