Seriously, people are overreacting. It's a plot point. Honestly, nobody's gonna go against what, like 75 years of established canon. Does anybody give a chance for an interesting story? Let Marvel and Nick Spencer do their thing, and see how it pans out before deciding to hate everyone involved.
I know this is late, but do you know about the Spider-Man clone story? It was "revealed" that peter parker was a clone from the beginning, shitting on decades of cannon. I can't even go into the whole story or my mouth will foam blood, but marvel stood it's ground on the whole clone thing, sales plummeted and fans left in droves forcing marvel to cry "just kidding!" The most memorable thing that happened was "real Spider-Man" fighting crime in a fucking hoodie. It costs 10x more money to get a new customer than to keep a current one meaning for every one fanboy crying foul, marvel has to use 10x the money to replace a lost sale. It's not interesting or innovative writing, it's "let's shit on our core fan's heads and see how much attention we can get." If you still think that over 70 years of cannon will keep a company from shitting on everything, all I have to say is New Coke.
To all those who think this whole cap situation is okay: think of all the 10 year-old kids who have looked up to captain America all their lives, have posters, bedsheets, trading cards (think little phill coulsen) they've all just had their lives CRUSHED because of this, a character that is supposed to be good, has turned out to be a bad guy. And this is absolutely NOT OKAY. Marvel has a responsibility to their readers, (specifically the children: who are the main target audience) to have characters that portray hope and goodness, and have them defeat the 'bad guys'.
It's not like marvel to try and be all 'modern' and full of plot twists, and this new thing they've got going really isn't working out for anybody.
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To quote my gf: "America needed Cap. Still does, honestly. He's a good soldier, hell, he's the best. America needed him in reality as well as fiction to inspire patriotism. Making Steve Rogers Hydra does nothing but spit in the face of the worlds greatest fictional patriot, and spit in the face of everyone who sees him as a hero. It's plain rude to suggest that he would do this, because it's suggesting terrible things about our men and women in uniform if Captain America​ is a double agent, anyone else could be too. Steve Rogers wanted to protect people, and he wanted to fight for our country. The comics were originally created before America entered the war, by people who had friends and family You're all disrespectful for seeing this as a "good twist" in his story."
I never read comics but this new captain america thing got me rlly interested. And I kind of like it. Gives a depth to captain america from being a good guy all the time which is a little annoying cause there was no depth to him
Conflict and growth = depth. Being deceptive does not necessarily equal depth. Being a bad guy does not necessarily equal depth. Depth would be if he, per se, had revealed his background as an agent of Hydra specfically because he was losing his motivation to work for them and needed to do so in order to save someone's life. I'll reserve judgement on whether this qualifies as "depth" until the full plot context is revealed.
But man, unless they've got some GOOD context woven in there, it looks like they've basically just decided to destroy an archetype for the sake of "buzz" and "edginess."
I see a lot of hate directed towards this decision, but I'd like to point out the absolute staleness in comics in recent years. Sure it's unpleasant and unexpected, but it makes you feel intense emotions. In my book that's good story telling. They have to change things up sometime.... I mean Cap has been around longer than some of us have been alive. So chill.
In other news, for the sake of cheap shock value, Batman was the one who killed his parents all along. Superman was actually responsible for the destruction of his planet. Spiderman killed uncle Ben for the inheritance money.
Precisely. If you have to resort to destroying the base principle of a character in order to make the character interesting, then it's time to retire the character in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I love Cap. I actually think there's a hell of a lot you could do with a Cap storyline, but if you have to make Cap ... not be Cap in order to make him interesting, either A) Cap is dead, we've reached the end of the line, or B) you suck out loud as a writer.
@kurukuruguy evidently not, as it sells a shit ton of books. The base principle of the character hasn't been destroyed, its just a plot twist that will shape the first few storys of the book.
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It's not like marvel to try and be all 'modern' and full of plot twists, and this new thing they've got going really isn't working out for anybody.
But man, unless they've got some GOOD context woven in there, it looks like they've basically just decided to destroy an archetype for the sake of "buzz" and "edginess."
Don't get me wrong, I love Cap. I actually think there's a hell of a lot you could do with a Cap storyline, but if you have to make Cap ... not be Cap in order to make him interesting, either A) Cap is dead, we've reached the end of the line, or B) you suck out loud as a writer.