Sorry, I was referencing something I saw on twitter earlier today. A student said that he would've shot up a gay club too, and someone took a screenshot of it and tweeted "gay twitter do your thing". Within half an hour they had contacted the principal of that boys school. I guess it doesn't work without context, huh? :)
Thank you! Everyone has the basic human right to be an asshole. You people applauding this shit need to stop and think what will happen if YOU ever run afoul of the PC Gestapo. This is just one more reason I avoid fucking Walmart as much as I can.
I would agree, except he is wearing their uniform in the picture while making the statement. That gives the, albeit false, impression that he is speaking for them as a whole, the same reason people pay for logos on race cars ect. He brought his work into it by wearing his uniform in a picture and using it on his profile while making ignorant and hateful statements. He brought it on himself.
Any human being with at least a double-digit IQ understands that he is not using an official Walmart account, and that he does not speak for Walmart.
Stupid picture? Yeah.
Stupid comment? Yeah.
Is it his God-given right to be a stupid asshole? Yeah.
Has any one of us ever done or said something stupid?
Doesn't matter. He worked for them and was wearing his uniform in at least one picture. By doing that he brought his job to attention and they sure didn't want that kind of attention.
I used to be a member of management at Walmart. This kind of stupidity is why they get sued every 53 seconds.
However, such acts are common today by many companies.
What concerns me is the amount of glee so many people are expressing over someone getting screwed. Believe it or not, not everyone agreed with YOU either. If others can get hosed for expressing their stupid opinions, so can you. Try to remember that.
Companies don't want to be associated with things that can get them sued. if they are associated with something of the sort, they will cut ties. Yeah, you may be able to say whatever you want on social media, but it's public. You have to be able to deal with the consequences. Free speech allows you to say what you want but it doesn't give you the right to be an insensitive bigot. Plain and simple.
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Sorry, but it's not the PC police's fault when you write support for a mass murder.
Perhaps, and as I said Walmart is not the only company to do such things, but that doesn't make it ok.
My concern, as i said, is in the responses that agree with this. If this idiot can get punked just because someone disagrees with what he says, none of us are safe.
What he posted was certainly reprehensible, but he has every right to be a jackass and the rest of us have every right to call him on it. But when people start suffering consequences for exercising their constitutional right to freedom of speech, how free are we? And how long until someone doesn't like what you or I gave to say?
This is dangerous ground on which we tread.
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Sorry, but Walmart is under no obligation to hire or retain employees whom have views that differ or may potentially bring harm to their business. If this was the government we were talking about then by all means, slip down that slope.
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Lets take the slippery slope that you describe in reverse. If I want to wear a badge that says "Hitler was right" to work, should the company still not be able to fire me? Where do you draw the line?
He has every right to be a jackals on his own time and in his own clothes but he has to watch what he says when he wears his work uniform. THAT is what made him lose his job. Had he not been wearing his uniform he wouldn't have lost it plain and simple.
By all means he can post whatever stupid stuff he wants but if he bares his company logo he should accept the consequences. They wouldn't have been able to fire them if he didn't have it on.
Everyone seems to be missing the point. Walmart firing him is bullshit because he is not representing them or even pretending to represent them.
BUT THIS IS NOT THE REAL ISSUE.
The real issue is whoever asked for his termination because they simply didn't like what he said. Walmart did not find out and fire him on their own in this case.
And further all of you who think this is great. Not everyone likes what YOU have to say either, I'll guran-damn-tee it. Do you think YOU should be fired or otherwise punished just because someone doesn't agree with you? If he can be screwed over for a stupid comment, you could very well be next.
I do not want to live in a world where I have to be afraid of saying anything in public.
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I completely agree with you on this. Had Walmart found out on their own, they would have probably asked him to remove the post, or issue a warning of some kind. How many Twitter/IG/FB posts are made by people on the job and in uniform? Tons!
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Once again, please tell me where the line is? Stop repeating the same tired talking points.
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.... there is no line. Nothing is black and white. And I can repeat whatever I please. Thank you
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So there are instances where an employer can fire you for your opinion?
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Apparently there is or we wouldn't be having this discussion.
As others have said, there are limits to free speech. You can't yell "fire" in a movie theatre, and you should be prepared for consequences of the things you say. In this case, Walmart doesn't want to be boycotted just to retain a bigot employee.
Actually they might have been able to fire him even if he wasn't wearing the uniform. It depends on the contract he signed. Some companies (like mine) state that even when you're in normal clothes and off the clock you're still a reflection of the company
Free speech means the government can't jail you for anything that you said. But free speech doesn't mean that everyone should accept what you say, and it is also in their rights to show you the fucking way out.
I'm not gay, and I think your punk ass should have been fired. You are wearing the uniform, so you are representing that company when you spout your hate-filled nonsense. Next time you get a job - I hear the KKK is hiring - maybe keep your opinions to yourself until you get home.
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This is stupid. This is the same shit as all those SJWs and feminist fucking with people's life's whenever they disagree with them on social media. People need to stop being PROFESSIONAL VICTIMS!
free speech doesn't give people the right to spout bullshit like this, as a matter of fact free speech comes with a great responsability, which is something far to many in our country don't understand you obviously being one of them
Precisely. @steve_rogers what is it that gives you kids the right to determine what others are allowed to think or say? How have you got the right to resort to violence just because you may not like what I say? Explain to me, please, just what makes you so fucking special and above the rest of us little pissants.
You're acting like these are opinions like being vegan or preferring a certain presidential candidate. That's all very well, and I can disagree with opinions like that in a peaceful and respectful manner, but if someone tells me that he thinks a genocidal massacre is "community service", please don't think that I will hesitate for even a second to punch them in the face, or fire them in this case, and bless the world with my own act of "community service".
I agree completely. The people in that club were not criminals, they were young people who preferred the same sex. And I wouldn't care if they were criminals. He slaughtered them.
What if I happen to feel extra offended by something you say? I guess I have the right to assault you huh?
What the fuck is happening with you kids today!?!
Please don't fall back on the "kids these days" argument. Firstly, no, despite what I said before, I wouldn't actually assault someone for saying that, because I'm not a violent person, and I wouldn't want someone else to assault them either. Although I would enjoy picturing it in my head. But if I were their employer, I would fire them, because I would not want my business to be associated with a bigot like that who can't keep his foul opinions to himself.
I keep forgetting to link. Okay, so @guestwho and @zipthesilver I don't know if you guys remember (guestwho probably does since they're sooooo much older than us) but that "We are Charlie" movement that followed in the wake of those news cartoonist dying? Well they asked the Pope what free speech means cause a reporter made fun of the movement, and he said something like "He can say whatever he wants. However, if he were to make a rude comment about my mother, a punch awaits him."
Sorry zipthesilver for the confusion! (:
Oh I remember well. This particular Pope is not exactly very "popeish" though. (Yes that's a word! At least it is now.)
I was trying to make a point and the whole "kids these days" bit popped out. At one time I knew which one of the "logical fallacies" that would be, but grandpa's memory isn't what it used to be kids!
Yes what the twit said was reprehensible. Yes people should have objected. Yes people should have made him aware just how big a jackass that comment made him. And yes it was pretty stupid to use a picture in his uniform, and even taken in Wally World. But this tendency today to immediately try to punish and silence any opinion that differs from the Twittersphere is in all honesty rather frightening. I have seen it far too many times and have seen far too many good people suffer because of a careless comment, or even just because of a difference of opinion.
I absolutely agree that anyone who would say such a thing should be ostracized from polite society, but vindictive attacks and attempts to cause harm (financial or physical) to someone you disagree with ("you" in general, not a specific user) is beyond the pale. And whether someone deserves their misfortune or not, schadenfreude is a most unbecoming human characteristic.
As a wise man never actually said: (paraphrased) I disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to be a complete fucking idiot. Just not around me."
Again, as I said earlier, we may watch with glee when a jerk like that gets his comeuppance, but if we allow it to happen to someone else, sooner or later we might find ourselves in that same position.
Yeah. I know my opinions may seem fickle. But the point of a debate is to sway opinions, is it not? Jesus once said something like don't attack those who speak against me or something.
I would just like to remind all the great users here of a quote that I have seen posted on this site several times, and it always gets upvotes and agreeable comments:
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
"Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
"Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
"Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
-Martin Niemoller
He lost his job not his freedom. I'm sure ( atleast I hope) he won't make the same mistake again. He didn't lose his freedom. I wouldn't be one to report him I'd chalk it up to another ignorant opinion I don't agree with but I don't feel bad for him because it's HIS duty to becareful what he puts on the internet because you never know who might see. I too know of a quote just not who said it but it's "Never write anything you wouldn't want everyone to see." You just don't know who might see it or try to use against you. All in all you should just use y I ur best judgment and he either doesn't do that or had a lapse in judgement
Stupid picture? Yeah.
Stupid comment? Yeah.
Is it his God-given right to be a stupid asshole? Yeah.
Has any one of us ever done or said something stupid?
However, such acts are common today by many companies.
What concerns me is the amount of glee so many people are expressing over someone getting screwed. Believe it or not, not everyone agreed with YOU either. If others can get hosed for expressing their stupid opinions, so can you. Try to remember that.
My concern, as i said, is in the responses that agree with this. If this idiot can get punked just because someone disagrees with what he says, none of us are safe.
What he posted was certainly reprehensible, but he has every right to be a jackass and the rest of us have every right to call him on it. But when people start suffering consequences for exercising their constitutional right to freedom of speech, how free are we? And how long until someone doesn't like what you or I gave to say?
This is dangerous ground on which we tread.
BUT THIS IS NOT THE REAL ISSUE.
The real issue is whoever asked for his termination because they simply didn't like what he said. Walmart did not find out and fire him on their own in this case.
And further all of you who think this is great. Not everyone likes what YOU have to say either, I'll guran-damn-tee it. Do you think YOU should be fired or otherwise punished just because someone doesn't agree with you? If he can be screwed over for a stupid comment, you could very well be next.
I do not want to live in a world where I have to be afraid of saying anything in public.
What the fuck is happening with you kids today!?!
Sorry zipthesilver for the confusion! (:
I was trying to make a point and the whole "kids these days" bit popped out. At one time I knew which one of the "logical fallacies" that would be, but grandpa's memory isn't what it used to be kids!
Yes what the twit said was reprehensible. Yes people should have objected. Yes people should have made him aware just how big a jackass that comment made him. And yes it was pretty stupid to use a picture in his uniform, and even taken in Wally World. But this tendency today to immediately try to punish and silence any opinion that differs from the Twittersphere is in all honesty rather frightening. I have seen it far too many times and have seen far too many good people suffer because of a careless comment, or even just because of a difference of opinion.
As a wise man never actually said: (paraphrased) I disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to be a complete fucking idiot. Just not around me."
Again, as I said earlier, we may watch with glee when a jerk like that gets his comeuppance, but if we allow it to happen to someone else, sooner or later we might find ourselves in that same position.
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
"Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
"Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
"Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
-Martin Niemoller