No. Many religions do in fact condone violence. Modern versions of those religions dont practice violence anymore, but there are many religions that condome violence
^This. While most religious people don't follow what's said in thousands of years old books, many use it as justification for violence, xenophobia, sexism, you name it. And we can't argue that it goes against the religion itself because it is in fact written in the holy books. We can argue that society has changed in all these years, but people who use such old books as a shield from constructive criticism hardly listen to that anyway. *scoffs* fundamentalists...
Except you can argue that it goes against the religion itself if those ancient instructions are no longer in force.
A Christian using the Law of Moses to justify violence against homosexuals, for example, is like a Mississippi resident citing the Jim Crow laws to defend their discrimination against blacks. It's an invalid defense.
But the Jim Crow laws have been revoked. The Christian laws against homosexuality have not. I'm not saying that you have to be against homisexuals to be a Christian, I'm just saying that you can't tell them they "aren't Christians" or anything
Not the laws against homosexuality per se, but certainy any specific law that could ever justofy violence against homosexuals. I.e. anything in the Law of Moses (Leviticus, Deuteronomy, etc.).
The problem is that the books themselves don't get updated. You can't use an old law book as a justification for anything if a book with an updated set of laws exists. But religious books, while serving as mere artifacts for most, do contain passages that could serve as excuses for violence to others.
And they're chock full of contradictions, hypocrisies, fallacies, and blatant idiocy. Like, I think the bible does say something anti-gay, but then "love thy neighbor", "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", and something about stoning women who divorce or have sex without being married.
Can you cite which part of the bible says homosexuals shall be killed? why would God create people that are gay *specifically so that they can be killed just by existence*?
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
I definitely think that if you are a Christian, you should be open to homosexuality, but you can't say it doesn't go against your religion.
The Law of Moses was given to the Israelites because they weren't showing themselves capable of following the higher law. All that stuff about eating certain types of animals, wearing certain types of clothes, even capital punishment were all part of that temporary Mosaic Law. When Christ came, he fulfilled the law of sacrifice (which is why we don't still do animal sacrifices), and re-instigated the higher laws. See the Sermon on the Mount for an example.
So yes, there most definitely has been an "updated" set of laws. If not, Christians would still be saying no to ham sandwiches.
WTF. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy are part of the Old Testsment in the Bible. Passages in these books are often used to impugn Christians. The New Testament is the "new law". These 5 books also comprise the Torah, a Hebrew holy book, but these passages are only used to hassle Christians.
There is no "normal" because "normal" would be equal to "perfect", and no one God makes is perfect. I myself am bisexual. I don't see that to be my fault. I think God made me this way because he's like "y'know, this guy would work better if he swung both ways". I don't have an issue with it, and I'm going to be kinda insulted if I fo to heaven and the guys there are like "well you did all this stuff, but you're not straight, so you're going to hell."
"I don't care."
That also isn't really relevant.
"Why create an individual that can succeed, then specifically put them in a mindset to set them up for failure?"
Mysterious ways. Can't know his mind.
@banana Just speaking for myself, personally I'm not sure that God necessarily "creates" people with their specific sexual orientation either, but my reasoning is different than garlog's.
Let's be real: your genetic makeup comes directly from your parents.
Yo garlog, are you just trying to show us the typical fundamentalist Christian mindset by replying with "God works in mysterious ways" or are you actually a believer? Just curious because you seem like a smart person therefore I expected you not to have such a mindset.
I see. Well it's pretty impossible to argue against it unless one wants to seem like an intrusive atheist, but I would guess these rules against homosexuality and sex outside of marriage were a way to make people breed as fast as possible and be in a stable family unit so the ancient society would grow. That's not really what we need right now though, which is why our modern society doesn't abide by these rules anymore. It's still written in the Bible though, which is a free pass for fundamentalists to act like bigots.
Except where the religion explicitly states to murder everyone who isn't part of your religion. Including, but not limited to, all the abrahamic religions.
Yes, but there are people who think "All religions" doesn't include their religion. Plus, just because others have added their opinion doesn't mean I can't add mine. It doesn't hurt anyone to do so.
A Christian using the Law of Moses to justify violence against homosexuals, for example, is like a Mississippi resident citing the Jim Crow laws to defend their discrimination against blacks. It's an invalid defense.
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
I definitely think that if you are a Christian, you should be open to homosexuality, but you can't say it doesn't go against your religion.
So yes, there most definitely has been an "updated" set of laws. If not, Christians would still be saying no to ham sandwiches.
Why would God make people that are homosexual specifically to be ridiculed and hated until they're dead?
That also isn't really relevant.
"Why create an individual that can succeed, then specifically put them in a mindset to set them up for failure?"
Mysterious ways. Can't know his mind.
Let's be real: your genetic makeup comes directly from your parents.