The outgoing Clinton administration in 2001 stole every W key from every computer keyboard in the Whitehouse when the George W Bush administration took over.
I am sure many presidential races have photos like these. The reason everyone wants to see these ones is becuase half of the country thinks the other half is racist, homophobic, swatsika spangled misogynists.
I acknowledge Trump is a worrisome candidate, and yes, the Democratic Party half is completely devoid of any empathy to anyone who hasn't drunken the coolaid when it came to their completely classless smear campaign attacking Trump's character. Yes they made some points but they were sloppy in driving the narrative that he is a Racist Homophobic Misogynist. However electing Clinton would've resulted in a series of events that would leave an aftertaste of shit in her voterbases mouths after they realize they lost their rights to free speech and protest when she planned on stripping them away completely.
I, for one, am not really afraid of Trump anymore. I'd prefer Clinton because she is less crazy, but I have realized that Trump is far too incompetent and far too ignorant about politics to actually know how to do anything, pass bills and so on. Plus, he's done things that made both the democrats and the republicans hate him. The Congress will override his every proposition, and they will unite against him so that he can't veto them.
I actually feel sorry for the people who thought that Trump will bring change. He ain't gonna change shit, simply because he has zero understanding of politics. The establishment, the Mexicans, the gays and the minorities are still going to be there, whoops.
I'm only afraid that the racist, sexist and homophobic portion of his supporters will start thinking it's totally fine to oppress and demean other people because Trump himself is an example of that.
No wait, that is wrong. Trump did change one thing: America went from "a powerful and fairly respected country" to "the butt of all jokes and a 'yuuuge' joke itself" practically overnight.
I get where you're coming from, but do you really think a guy with zero understanding of politics could win the most competitive political race in the country, if not the world?
Don't be silly.
No, its totally right. What he knows a bit of is to sell a worthless product. Normally he lets his lawyers deal with complaints afterwards, but what to do now?
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You're all so uninformed. Probably watch CNN for news on Trump. You know there is Sikh man that just exposed news channels like CNN for editing videos to make Trump "say" things he didn't.
@supernovamike 95% of his appeal was "I'm not a politician" so yeah, he won the race BECAUSE he's ignorant about politics.
@funsubstanceuser haha yeah, and not even that if you look a his bankrupcy history.
@isuck479 Oh, really? I'm honestly interested in watching that, would you post a link? Because it honestly seems unlikely they'd do that as the things Trump says make up for scandals on their own, I don't think he needs extra editing (I get my information from independent sources so there's no CNN bias rubbed on me hopefully).
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It's on facebook. If I get the link I'll show it to you. May I ask where these sources come from?
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I cannot get a link. Look up Jacob Shaffer. The media edits clips and arranging them in ways to make trump sound crazy. Jacob Shaffer is the one that is providing it on facebook
They all do it, its part of their jobs to sell the news. The other side shows HRC as lethally ill and mentally handicapped, so? How's that a big deal?
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most of the people I see say that are exaggarating or never seen as serious news providers and justly so. CNN, ABC, MSNBC and all these other news stations control the information battleground. they choose a political side and influence viewers. if it were cosmopolitan or some other thing that offers sex tips that isnt tken seriously sure go for it you only appeal to people who find value in material things and think kanyes new clothing line is a statement on politics. but it's cnn we're talking. and these videos dont have 1000 views they have over 10 million. the editing of those videos caused people to see trump as hitler 2.0 which caused fake fear, kinda like hitler did when he convinced people that jews are the problem 'deplorables' became the 'jews' and the media hitler. deciding who you should hate and giving a made up reason.
@isuck479 I watch Secular Talk, he's the most unbiased guy I know, he's independent so he doesn't go with the mainstream media, and he hates both Trump and Hillary so I know he's not trying to defend anyone (but of course I don't trust him 100%, you gotta keep critical thinking on at all times). I also sometimes watch/listen to BBC news, RT, Al Jazeera and TYT, because I know each is biased in another direction and I think it's important to take into consideration multiple points of view.
@funsubstanceuser raises a good point, news channels like CNN are definitely pro-Hillary and try to make Trump look bad, but the same (if not worse) happens with for example Breitbart. They portray Clinton as a mentally and physically ill monster, and sometimes even chime in with a bit of religious Alex Jones-y ramblings like "She's the devil!" which of course is just ridiculous.
I'm gonna look up the guy but I'm fairly certain that for example Trump's 2nd amendment quote was legit and not an edit.
Also, if you wanna lighten up a bit, look up conservapedia and its entries on things like Global Warming or Obamacare or even Donald Trump. It's hilarious.
Edit: there are so many Jacob Schaffers on facebook, which one is the right one?
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Jacob Schaffer has a black display picture. Also RT is unbiased btw. They were formerly Russia today, now completely different RT. They're bothe conservative and liberal. Share many different ideas and stuff. I use them as my main source for news on stuff like syria. But they were the only news company I knew that were actively reporting on donald trumps short comings and his ignorance whilst researching the clintons and the wikileakz.
I think they're still a bit pro-Russian but yeah, they are one of the least biased networks out there. Also, I forgot to mention that FOX news was a pretty big news network before the Roger Ailes affair, and they were very biased.
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Fox was under hillarys payroll this election though. Although they did bash hillary they did it on small miniscule things. Wikileaks proved that she had a meeting with some reporters to discuss things if ya knownwhat I mean
That is unsettling. But if I understand correctly it happened only with one of his speeches, so that doesn't sound like that big of a deal? Depends if they did it on multiple occasions or just this one time. After all, putting things out of context is quite common practice in the media.
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It has happened more than once. Even on CNN. I've seen the same doctored speech.
Of course this happened, and it happened on both sides. But while Trumps ideas were basically at worst shortened or over-simplified, the kind of shit that went down to discredit HRC, and to aggravate people against her and against the "wrong" media is completely unheard of in american history. Of course he's not orange Hitler. Trump's real fond of The Duce. The baroque, narcissistic personality suits him much better than the grim, ascetic ways of the Fuehrer.
We've been dealing with her and her shit for too long. She was one of my senators for a while, fortunately that ended. We have had 28 years of feckless leaders who have sold our jobs for a few magic beans. It needed to stop, H was in the middle of it for decades. She needs to retire with her millions and leave us alone.
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BECAUSE CLINTON FUCKED OVER AMERICAS CHANCE AT TRUE EQUALITY FOR SAUDI MONEY YOU FUCK. My shit man. "The kind of shit went to discredit hillary" the woman was gonna start world war three in fucking syria finishing obamas work. They shouldnt have interfered in the first place now isis and the free syrian army are hand in hand there is various documented proof of this. What's unheard of is more than 50% of the people who voted wanted a damn warmongering president for the basic fact she had a vagina. Ridiculous. Now you have huffington post saying voting trump is a hate crime and all that stupid shit. The clinton foundation is filled with enough corruption, america didnt want a clinton in office people would gladly support a woman just not one with the shadiest track record in history. Obama denounced her ass back in 08, she treated him like shit. She was never a good candidate he just wanted the dems in office which that in itself is greedy as frick. Clinton rigged the primaries
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There was no doctoring on the conservacucks side only exaggaration of her mental and physical health. Everything else can be found in the wikileaks which no liberal had a problem with until "Muh furst womun pwesident" shit came a long and assange knew that another clinton would only fuck up the world more. Why is it okay for saudi arabia to violate human rights and buy oil from ISIS, qatar to violate human rights and buy oil from ISIS, turkey to arguably violate human rights and buy oil from isis and when they're exposed russia take the hit for bombing a civi area that one time. And I laughed when america tried convicting them of war crimes, do we need to mention libya, arming rebels who kill civillians along with their isis buddies and al qaeda etc in syria, iraq, afghan, supporting palesteins demise? All of this should then be held to account if russia is held accountable for what they did (not on purpose) to that town in syria which america has done much much worse.
See, here's the problem. Yes, Hillary made pretty bad decisions and stood for bad things. But how do we know Trump won't be the same? He was never in politics before, and his opinions on for example NAFTA and TPP which he now claims he opposes were never documented. Maybe he wanted those deals but he had no political power and no media coverage of his political opinions, so we can't know. There was a case when they dug out one of his old interviews in which he says he supports the intervention in Lybia. Being the notorious liar he is, he denied it when they asked him about it. So we could assume that he was for the other bad stuff as well, but we can't because there's no proof. With Hillary, you've got proof of her political life. With Trump, you don't. You only have proof of his failed, bankrupt businesses, his frauds like Trump University and Trump Foundation, his scandals like underpaying/not paying his workers… but the media didn't give those much attention.
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Everyone was for the Libya intervention! When Ghadaffi was hiding out in different countries the world shamed them for allowing it! America controlled the view and we all thought it was great but the very few who knew what happened with Sadam were against it! We all then agreed that america should never pull something like that again and are against it. Also there's a whole thread of comments where people said something along the lines of Trump isn't being sued his companies are and the people who run his companies are he is simply baring witness. And the underpaying story is opinion the not paying is cintroversial and and many claim to have proof that its true and proof that it isnt. Oh also DID YOU EVEN WATCH CNN? This is the stuff they talked about 24/7 not once did I watch cnn/bbc or any mainstream media channels and not see one of the above mentioned stories. And when the wikileaks came out? They doctored a clip to make trump seem racist. Gg
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The only way I found out about the wikileaks in detail and honestly was from unbiased news sources like RT. CNN freakin told the viewers that they should not look at the wikileaks themselves and should instead get the news from them because it's illegal. For heavens sake man. Ones a grandpa who grew up in an era with an opinion and people doing work for him the other is a woman who has ties to terrorism, stole from tha haiti people, caused 4 people to die in benghazi after 600 FREAKIN 600 requests for extra security and flip flops more than cheating husband.
Russia Today as unbiased news source? There needs to be a word for that which is like a thousand times stronger than oblivion. RT as source of another view? Fine, why not. But unbiased? C'mon man, really?
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They are no longer russia today -_- simply RT ffs. Though still having the same HQ and sorts they are no longer "russia today" none of their reporters or presentors greet you as "russia today" as they used to they have changed. And also they are the ONLY source of news where they bashed both Trump and Hillary. GG tho
Oh I see, so the problem with their pro-Putin bias was the letters U, S, I, A, O, D and Y? And since they got rid of them, they are not paid for and ordered by the Kremlin? Wrong I'd say. Their budget is higher than that of fucking BBC World Service, and the part that's not directly paid for by the russian government comes from companies and organizations owned by Putin's oligarch buds. Part of their scope is interesting info you never see anywhere else, granted. But most is blatant propaganda, a focus on totalitarian and extreme right wing agendas, spiced up with super wack conspiracy theory nonsense of the Monty Python level of absurdity. Their journalistic contribution is stirring up shit. Its like a big box of laxatives of all brands with a few nice MDMA pills among them. You better know your stuff if you plan on grabbing in there, or you might end up with a lot of shit.
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Never seen em get a story wrong or provide info they can't back. Stir more shit for telling the truth? Shame. Fuck ofd then and hide in your echo chamber then. Bbc and CNN are hopeless they get so many stories wrong and fucking geographically fuck up 24/7. Remember when Israel was shitstorming palestine? They put israel where greenland is on the fucking map and it's not the 1st time. Not surprised 55% of americans dont know the sun is a star why would they get geopgraphy wrong. Sure not gonna lie they report on russian affairs but nobody else does? And all their stories can be soruced CNN was caught lying with the wikileaks. You just can't handle that your agenda was exposed? You have been "subverted".
Lol I actually don't watch CNN because I know they're biased as fuck.
Again, Hillary isn't ideal. But Trump is a terrible person AND we have no idea where he actually stands on different issues because he flip floped on them a million times and has no political history whatsoever. His opinions are what happens when you push "randomize" on a character creation screen in an RPG.
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Give me an example of him being a terrible person other than an opinion. Something that is unlawful and unconstitutional and genreally agreed upon as morally wrong. And what did he flip flop on exactly?
Most opinions do make you a good or bad person. Such as him saying we should take out families of terrorists and torture "even if it doesn't work". There are the sexual assault allegations which are pretty obvious, and even though I don't believe he raped some 13 year old because that affair just looked like a made up thing to influence the elections, he did similar stuff as Roger Ailes to women he worked with, and even bragged about it. You couldn't've forgotten the "grab them by the pussy" thing, right? Then there's also the fact that he underpaid or refused to pay his workers as I've mentioned earlier but you conveniently chose to ignore those. And by all means if you have proof of the allegations being false, I am willing to listen, but don't just dismiss it as "I heard otherwise". If you want to see the issues he flip floped on, watch "Trump exposes Trump", it's funny and truthful albeit not a scientific source. /watch?v=kSE-XoVKaXg
I think they're mostly unbiased with things that don't concern Russia (of which there are very few as Russia is meddling with Syria and the US elections which is where all the news it at rn) but otherwise it's as you say, they're pro-Russian.
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I don't need to go to RT to see the stuff buzzfeed argues with, Russia does have a right to be there. They just this week started supplying power to certain ukranian town, coz ya know the west is filled with anti russian propaganda. Russia fucked up, what once in syria? But america and UK defend ISIS stronghokd simply so assad and Russian forces dont control it, but that doesnt get reported by mainstream media. One thing for sure at least I'm not in a country *germany* that literally has anti-russian propaganda played on their childrens shows and radio broadcasts. Fucking kek if you wana talk about them being pro russian, they're pro truth. Ewqua i'll reply to you in a minute
So the underpay thing is appareantly true but the no pay thing is allegations. The debunking was done by the same source that said trump won the popular vote which was a lie. Sorry about that. The various sexual assault cases always come out against celebrities. I dont think i can count how many time i've seen "zac effron accused of sexual assault" or some other celeb get accused of sexual assault as a magazine cover in my lifetime. Doesnt make it not right just means investigations need to occur. Which they don't, why? Well becauze the people that are accusing go to magazines instead of police stations. Even my libbie friend *pain in the ass bte* said she doesnt believe for one second trump raped or sexually assaulted her.
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The grab her by the pussy thing is again a debatable topic. I personally think he was disguisting but if you have heard the full recording where he talks about how hot the woman was or whatever he then said "i tell ya i dont even wait i just grab em by the pussy dont even ask". According to some he was talking as if he had already had sexual relations with the woman he was talking about. For example, my mate who basically lives in a club has told me many times how he "doesnt even wait, he goes in for the kill before they even say no" not to say he rapes them they obviously consent but he's bragging saying he's so good that girls dont even think about it.
The fuck are you talking about? That Trump is the same sort of misogynic rapey asshole as your friend who "lives in a club"? Thanks for the info. Now get some sleep. And maybe new friends...
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Btw: what's your first language?
Yeah, as I said I don't believe he actually raped anyone. But the reason why people waited to come forward with the sexual assault thing is in my opinion similar as it was with Roger Ailes or even Bill Cosby. They were simply afraid to say anything because they'd be speaking against famous and very powerful people. They thought they were alone in this but when they saw that someone else was saying that the same thing happened to them, they stopped feeling alone and told the truth. Now of course we can't trust all of them, but even if only a half of them are being truthful, it's still alarming. The "I don't even wait" part is what shocked me the most, because it means he doesn't wait for consent which is kinda rapey, even if they consent in the end. Because no matter who your friend is he's probably got game, is handsome or just very eloquent… Trump is neither handsome nor eloquent nor charming. So I wouldn't really say that all the women wanted to be with him.
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Wait so does that mean my mate is rapey? Like I said listen to the full clip. trump is super rich tho. Melania bangs him.
Wtf dude did you even read the comment? I just said that the reason why your mate "doesn't wait" is cause he's probably handsome and charismatic which is why some shallow women fall for him, but since Trump isn't any of these things, not waiting for consent makes him rapey. Melania is from Slovenia which is definitely not one of the richest countries in the world so of course she wants to get rich.
Seriously you should get some sleep as funsubstanceuser says because you're missing some important points which I guess is because you can't focus because you're tired. We'll continue in the morning.
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I just said that he's rich. Gold diggers exist. as in. People he may have banged in the past didnt give a fuck about looks. But more about the fact they'd be banging a millionare. Catch my flow? And fuck yall with this "sleep" bullshit. I git a sleep schedule around my work.
Oh, then do you have ADHD? You often stray from the point and miss some stuff, no offense but it's making it kinda hard to discuss stuff with you.
Her policies, mostly. Looking at it pure policy-wise, she'd be a million times better. Trump just has crazy ideas that he's not even going to implement anyway because he's totally incompetent and ignorant in politics.
But that may be a good thing, though. I mean, almost everyone in the government already hates him, half of the population hates him, and the other half that doesn't will start hating him once they realize he's not in fact going to do the crazy shit he promised them. He's already going back at his promises and turning even more pro-establishment than Clinton ever was. Maybe he's going to unite everyone against him. I'd definitely like to see that.
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How are her policies any better? Did you even READ trumps policies? Him and bernie actually agree on some stuff and if you followed bernies social media you'd see his somewhat support for trump over hillary. He's furious with her. Things hillary is that trump isn't : fraudulent, takes bribes, does political favours for money. Her policies changed almost nothing and if they did they weren't good. Mexico and Canada want to re-negotiate the NAFTA. SHE WAS FOR THE TPP, WHICH TRUMP SHUTDOWN MATE! The DOW was at an all time high after seemingly crashing to the word of Trump winning. But then went to an all new high, almost record breaking. But NONE of that was broadcasted on the news. At least not on CNN, especially not on CNN. He is not "more establisbment" than hillary. If you can call any of the so called "establishmen" republicans remotely establishment I'll laugh. Republicans are the most off center party there. Barely what anyone says they are unless it's crazy.
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More lobbyist is a different story which even I'm dissapointed in and so is Bernie.
"Did you even READ trumps policies?" - Nobody ever has because what he stated before the election are NOT policies. Calling such a statement a policy would require a) a detailed plan of what to do and b) a business plan, like in detail. The only details he's given is his mexico wall bullshit and his ideas of how to do it and how Mexico should pay are - friendly speaking - naive, cause they leave out so obvious, important obstacles, like existing contracts, international law and petty things like that. I even grant him that in this world fucking up your contract partners and/or starving them out in court is sort of a business model. In politics... well, it's a bit more complex there. Also I'm still sure he doesn't know jack about what a president can really do on his own.
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"Things hillary is that trump isn't : fraudulent" - Seriously? Something a chimpanzee has but you don't? An IQ above 55.
Go to bed. Seriously, if anything on his website looks like an actual policy to you, you will believe this is an actual business presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciS914MaDl8
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Ima use a liberal argument against you. Your replies have been nothing but micro aggression and patronizing. Stop with your belittlement "go to bed" reply. Now to get serious : 1. Stop outsourcing/ Prevent it from constantly occurring to bring manufacturing jobs to the USA. 2. To provide its own resources and buy from its own local markets (USA = it) 3. No TPP (How many times do I have to repeat this) 4. Re-negotiating NAFTA with Canada and Mexico (WHICH they both openly agreed to) 5. Lowering the military budget for war and pulling out of foreign affairs 6. Mend the broken relationship between Russia and US which is crucial as due to NATO the Russians have planned on increasing THEIR military budget by 50%. And it means that no WW3 (cont.)
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7. He is going to put sanctions on many middle eastern countries like Saudi Arabia. 8. He is going to make the cost of hiring someone less so small business owners can afford to get employees.
9. He is going to stop the bailing out of banks (unconfirmed)
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Also the outsourcing one for me is the biggest. The number of unemployed people in the US is a problem, and it's among minority groups that it affects the most. Bringing manufacturing back to the US means that minorities would have more options for work that typically does not require degrees.
People told me you're dead wrong with anything you say, and I swear, I can prove it, and it's the best, convincing proof you can imagine. Everybody knows, I got the best proof. And then you will realize how you've been wrong all the time. Just trust me, You will. Everybody knows. Just go on my website where I claim I'm right. I have the best claims. Everybody says so.
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Convinced?
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Not to forget: Get some sleep. This is not meant to belittle you, it's going to help your ability to think straight. And, boy-o-boy, do yooou need it.
Points 1 & 2: he outsourced his own jobs to get more money. Do you really trust that he'll be different as president just because he says it?
3: again, he said that but now that he's president he's softening and backing down from most (if not all) of his promises including TPP.
4: can't argue with that but I'm sure Clinton would've done the same, she did say that NAFTA was a bad deal and apologized for supporting it in the past. Also we don't know if Trump was for or against it when it was introduced because we have only his word.
5: if you google "trump military budget" or something along those lines, it will show you articles from a ton of websites (some of them being biased, some neutral) saying he wants to increase it and that he flip floped about it.
6: which is why I'm afraid of his presidency. Teaming up with a bully like Putin might get very bad for Europe. Hillary would keep the cold war status quo and keep Putin in line, Trump will let him get away with bullying Europe.
7: yeah, the Saudis are bitches and I'd agree with him on that. The question is if he's actually gonna do it because it'd probably impact the economy a lot.
8: small and big businesses alike. He doesn't care about small businesses, he wants millionaires like himself get even richer.
9: we'll see how that goes.
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Is pro-life.
Supports torture and says we should do worse than waterboarding.
Supports killing civilians in the Middle East.
Wants to ban all Muslims from entering the country.
Wants to get rid of all undocumented immigrants (although he's backing out of this one).
Wants to dissolve NATO.
Wants to continue the war on drugs.
Seriously, being pro-Trump because you hate Hillary is understandable, but saying he's actually good? You'd have to be a brainwashed Christian boy to have that mindset.
And about the video: yes, Clinton is a liar. We all know that. But if you do a fact check on any of the debates, you'll know that Trump lies more, but he can sell it.
Hillary supported killing people in the middle east.
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The undocumented immagrants thing isn't even a problem.
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The "ban all muslims thing" is a lie, only muslims from places where there is s confirmed terrorist presence. But ay, with most of what you said I can see you trust mainstream media over unbiased media
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Dissolving nato is a good thing. Name one good thing NATO has done in the past 10 years. Besides stack up their army on russian borders and then put up anti missile defences then proclaiming russia is a threat
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Trump has lied more but his lies were hardly intentional and more ignorance, and I don't support Trump. Your religious bias is disguisting, lol fuck you too mate.
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I'm just pointing out that Trump was the better half. And that liberals deserve this blow every way. Watch interviews with bernie, ironically him and Trump share many views on the working class.
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I don't remember russia having military bases all over the world. I don't remember russia defending an ISIS stronghold in syria from their opponents simply because if their opponents claimed that stronghold they would have the upper hand in Syria. I don't remember russia killing innocent civillians INTENTIONALLY in the middle east then having thise records/videos leaked on wikileaks, i don't remember russia trying to arrest someone who exposes mass survailance. Your phobia on russia is based on years of cold war rhetoric ("Don't let the commies win") and it's old and stretched out. The world doesn't get to hear about russia only when it involves something bad. USA shouldn't speak on Ukraine. Look what you did with Sadam.
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What about Germany who airs propaganda on their radio stations to children literally saying "Putin is responsible for the syria crisis" like what the fuck? Also Germany is sending back 12000 immagrants. Hmmm why? Oh they said it was safe now. WRONG! They're sending 12000 back because they put on a show for the world to puppet that they were progressive in the refugee crisis now they regret it wholeheartedly. And they criticize russia for their lack of refugee intake. What about UAE? Took in so little of the refugees but ay nothin said about Muslim country's taking in their own culture.
Oh, so you're one of those infamous Putin Trolls. And your not binge posting at night but during russian office hours. And you're not an overtired american teenager on sleep depravation, but probably some middle aged russian who reeks of vodka.
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>Dismissing everyone who doesn't agree with your views as something regarded as a low level member of society
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You wouldn't even need to tell anyone you're a liberal. They'd see it in a second of meeting you.
Whoa you guys, you just went full triggered. I like how pokethebear probably didn't even read the whole thing, just saw that one part and got offended. No I don't have anything against Christian males, I was only using the stereotype of a fundamentalist Christian as a parabole, and I said boy because fundamentalist Christians are still riding on the waves of typical gender roles and pushing female inferiority.
Also, downvoting your opponent while in a discussion with them is really weak.
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Then why are you downvoting me mate? I had likes above and they dissapeared. Hmm. You defended Islam as if they weren't doing the same thing 10 times worse. And Gender roles are a thing, why does this bother you. If you aren't a christian why does it affect you? Gender roles are okay, don't demonize it. Also, gender roles doesn't *mean* man is provider, woman is caretaker. Gender roles can mean the woman is the provider. And it has happened in many instances in history. In the Bible it even talks about women who were PREACHING alongside Jesus, not in their typical gender role. But ay. Cool bro.
@isuck479 I'm not. Downvoting the one I'm debating goes against my morals. Islam is "10 times worse" than Christianity? Hahaha. Also when exactly did I defend Islam? By saying that banning all Muslims is stupid? Yeah, fighting against religious discrimination makes me such a bad person.
Religion is just made up stories, no religion is better or worse than any other because it's fictional. Unless you want to compare religions like fiction books (which they stem from) in which case Christianity, Judaism and Islam are the worst because their god is a Mary Sue.
Stereotyping an entire group of people is discrimination, such as if I said that ALL Christians are dumb fundamentalists. But I used the example of a stereotypical fundamentalist's mindset to illustrate a point, and that is not stereotyping all Christians, just pointing out that fundamentalists are backwards people, which they are.
I personally have no problem with people being religious, only with fundamentalists.
Also, "gender roles can be good"? Once again I must laugh. So good not to give people a choice in the matter and force them to do certain things because they were born with certain genitals.
I don't think you've grasped what gender roles mean. Woman provider and man caretaker goes against traditional gender roles. It's a good example of establishing roles within the household, but if we were living in a world with prevalent gender roles, it'd be unacceptable. Gender roles stem from gender stereotypes, and while it's not inherently bad for a woman to stay at home and let the man work, what matters is the choice and consenzus between the two. Want to earn money and want your partner to stay at home or vice versa? Ok. Want to share chores and both go to work? Ok. Many people get the notion that only the sharing chores option is the egalitarian one, but I disagree. Any of these are okay as long as both parties agree and neither is forced to give anything up to do what their partner wants.
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I agree with your statement above, it's what I meant. I never said Islam is 10 times worse I said they do things ten times worse. For instance, chemically castrating gays in Saudi Arabia.
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"Religion is just made up stories". Yeah sure. That's why the three biggest religions share literally the same events having no differences aside from names in which these stories have(Christianity being the odd one out because of their continuation in the new testament). Just think man. How insane it is to dismiss all 3 simply because you don't believe it. At least investigate it. I'll get you started by tagging you in a post.
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Fundamentalists haven't won a battle in ages. They are literally just here annoying people. That's all.
That's because Christianity is basically a fanfiction of Judaism (based on a line in the Old Testament that foretold the coming of a savior) and Islam is a fanfiction of Christianity (based on a rumor that Jesus wasn't the son of God, just a prophet like Muhammad). All three were born in the Middle East, which is why these stories got around so fast. Don't you think that if this God existed, a number of similar monotheistic religions would appear all around the world?
Now I don't want to sound mean but using the same argumentation as you just did, I could say that the same/similar pantheon of gods was worshipped by both the Ancient Greeks and the Romans, which proves they're real. But we all know that's not true because the Romans basically ripped off the greek gods and conveniently renamed them. I could present the same "proof" with Nordic and Icelandic gods, or Slavic paganism, but of course I'd be laughed at. Do you see where I'm coming from?
Oh and also yes, Sharia law is fucking stupid and goes against basic human rights, but I think that's more about the society than the religion. You got anti-gay verses in the Bible as well but as a society we've developed past that, they haven't.
I mean even Dubai's legal system is based off Sharia, if I remember correctly there was a case with a woman being prosecuted for "extra marital sex" because she was raped…
But I'd like to point out that it was the Christian West who started a crusade against the Middle East because their religion was different. It was the western folk who were backwards and fundamentalist back then, and by setting their cities on fire we've basically destroyed the eastern folk's knowledge and culture and made their societal progress stagnate. If you meet a Muslim in the West today they're normal people because they adapted to our society, but the Middle East is a different story.
Also look at Israel and Palestine.
It's not the religion, it's the society.
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*an anti gay verse. Not verses. And it's most def the religion. My muslim friends HATE jews fam. So much so the Jews were driven out my town. Was rough shit.
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Also. The gods that were made by the romans/greeks etc were used in place to EXPLAIN and that was their basic cause. Neither Christianity, Judaism or Islam aim to explain how things work. Instead they have their own rooted path.
That's horrible, but your personal experience doesn't account for the whole. People with different experiences exist. For example, there aren't many Muslims in my country (in fact the only Muslim I know is a girl I went to school with and she's super nice, doesn't even wear a hijab so I guess her family is very progressive), and even the migrant crisis has barely touched us but the media is totally overreacting which causes some people to overreact too. There are even some anti-Islam (and basically anti-brown people) groups who post shit on Facebook but also gather in front of mosques and shout crap at Muslims who just wanna pray there. They even staged a fake ISIS attack, which is totally unacceptable.
As far as I'm concerned Christianity also explains stuff. You know, like the creation of the world and everything in it. It just doesn't go into detail as much as the Greeks. But anyway, why does that matter? Is it special because it doesn't explain why it rains or why there's echo?
Czech Republic, but you were close. Anyway, can anyone explain to me how are Christianity/Islam/Judaism different from mythologies? What makes them so special that my previous comments/criticisms don't apply to them? (I guess @isuck479 will reply sooner or later, cause I really don't understand the whole "they explain things which makes them different" argument)
I'm an atheist but I'm pretty tolerant when it comes to religion which is why it always boggles my mind when I get laughed at because I advocate religious equality for "pagan" gods.
I have asked that myself a lot, and my idea is that followers of a monotheistic religion feel somehow more "civilized" than followers of polytheism, who feel (Hindus i.e.) and felt more civilized than followers of "natural religions" who don't have any gods and only believe in the spirit of nature as a whole consisting of sprites, fairytales and demons. The more some people built up estate and assets, the more they needed a complex religion to justify inequality and a strict hierarchic system to make sure that thos who gad more could also keep it. The more gods, the more negotiation, the more demand to share the wealth. When there is one god, it makes more sense to people that there's only one leader. So strong leaders would favor monotheism and would try to make any belief system with more than one god look inferior.
Huh, I never thought of it that way. I guess you're right, also people would probably rather trust one omnipotent god over a bunch of gods who argue all the time and each of them influences only one aspect of life.
Still, disrespecting someone for preferring pagan gods or spirits or being an atheist is just wrong and you won't undo it by a few minutes of praying.
These people r supposed to lead our country and they're acting like teenagers. I voted for Gary Johnson and I still think this is ridiculous. Obama said himself "we're still all on the same team"
I actually feel sorry for the people who thought that Trump will bring change. He ain't gonna change shit, simply because he has zero understanding of politics. The establishment, the Mexicans, the gays and the minorities are still going to be there, whoops.
I'm only afraid that the racist, sexist and homophobic portion of his supporters will start thinking it's totally fine to oppress and demean other people because Trump himself is an example of that.
Don't be silly.
@funsubstanceuser haha yeah, and not even that if you look a his bankrupcy history.
@isuck479 Oh, really? I'm honestly interested in watching that, would you post a link? Because it honestly seems unlikely they'd do that as the things Trump says make up for scandals on their own, I don't think he needs extra editing (I get my information from independent sources so there's no CNN bias rubbed on me hopefully).
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You are _really_ 17? You go to a regular school?
@funsubstanceuser raises a good point, news channels like CNN are definitely pro-Hillary and try to make Trump look bad, but the same (if not worse) happens with for example Breitbart. They portray Clinton as a mentally and physically ill monster, and sometimes even chime in with a bit of religious Alex Jones-y ramblings like "She's the devil!" which of course is just ridiculous.
I'm gonna look up the guy but I'm fairly certain that for example Trump's 2nd amendment quote was legit and not an edit.
Edit: there are so many Jacob Schaffers on facebook, which one is the right one?
Again, Hillary isn't ideal. But Trump is a terrible person AND we have no idea where he actually stands on different issues because he flip floped on them a million times and has no political history whatsoever. His opinions are what happens when you push "randomize" on a character creation screen in an RPG.
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Btw: what's your first language?
Seriously you should get some sleep as funsubstanceuser says because you're missing some important points which I guess is because you can't focus because you're tired. We'll continue in the morning.
Her policies, mostly. Looking at it pure policy-wise, she'd be a million times better. Trump just has crazy ideas that he's not even going to implement anyway because he's totally incompetent and ignorant in politics.
But that may be a good thing, though. I mean, almost everyone in the government already hates him, half of the population hates him, and the other half that doesn't will start hating him once they realize he's not in fact going to do the crazy shit he promised them. He's already going back at his promises and turning even more pro-establishment than Clinton ever was. Maybe he's going to unite everyone against him. I'd definitely like to see that.
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"Things hillary is that trump isn't : fraudulent" - Seriously? Something a chimpanzee has but you don't? An IQ above 55.
I'm exhausted though so I'll gladly elaborate in the morning.
9. He is going to stop the bailing out of banks (unconfirmed)
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Convinced?
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Not to forget: Get some sleep. This is not meant to belittle you, it's going to help your ability to think straight. And, boy-o-boy, do yooou need it.
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http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/28/donald-trump-vows-to-cancel-trans-pacific-partners/
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-nafta-jeopardy-free-trade-deal-canada-mexico-renegotiate-a7411056.html
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/11/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-discuss-mending-ties-161115042114865.html
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/27/trump-would-consider-halting-purchase-of-oil-from-saudi-arabia
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Just to piss you off:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI
3: again, he said that but now that he's president he's softening and backing down from most (if not all) of his promises including TPP.
4: can't argue with that but I'm sure Clinton would've done the same, she did say that NAFTA was a bad deal and apologized for supporting it in the past. Also we don't know if Trump was for or against it when it was introduced because we have only his word.
5: if you google "trump military budget" or something along those lines, it will show you articles from a ton of websites (some of them being biased, some neutral) saying he wants to increase it and that he flip floped about it.
6: which is why I'm afraid of his presidency. Teaming up with a bully like Putin might get very bad for Europe. Hillary would keep the cold war status quo and keep Putin in line, Trump will let him get away with bullying Europe.
8: small and big businesses alike. He doesn't care about small businesses, he wants millionaires like himself get even richer.
9: we'll see how that goes.
He also:
Is pro-life.
Supports torture and says we should do worse than waterboarding.
Supports killing civilians in the Middle East.
Wants to ban all Muslims from entering the country.
Wants to get rid of all undocumented immigrants (although he's backing out of this one).
Wants to dissolve NATO.
Wants to continue the war on drugs.
Seriously, being pro-Trump because you hate Hillary is understandable, but saying he's actually good? You'd have to be a brainwashed Christian boy to have that mindset.
And about the video: yes, Clinton is a liar. We all know that. But if you do a fact check on any of the debates, you'll know that Trump lies more, but he can sell it.
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The undocumented immagrants thing isn't even a problem.
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The "ban all muslims thing" is a lie, only muslims from places where there is s confirmed terrorist presence. But ay, with most of what you said I can see you trust mainstream media over unbiased media
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Dissolving nato is a good thing. Name one good thing NATO has done in the past 10 years. Besides stack up their army on russian borders and then put up anti missile defences then proclaiming russia is a threat
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Trump has lied more but his lies were hardly intentional and more ignorance, and I don't support Trump. Your religious bias is disguisting, lol fuck you too mate.
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I'm just pointing out that Trump was the better half. And that liberals deserve this blow every way. Watch interviews with bernie, ironically him and Trump share many views on the working class.
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Your bias against russia is astounding. Russia a bully? (Cont.(
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You wouldn't even need to tell anyone you're a liberal. They'd see it in a second of meeting you.
Also, downvoting your opponent while in a discussion with them is really weak.
Religion is just made up stories, no religion is better or worse than any other because it's fictional. Unless you want to compare religions like fiction books (which they stem from) in which case Christianity, Judaism and Islam are the worst because their god is a Mary Sue.
Stereotyping an entire group of people is discrimination, such as if I said that ALL Christians are dumb fundamentalists. But I used the example of a stereotypical fundamentalist's mindset to illustrate a point, and that is not stereotyping all Christians, just pointing out that fundamentalists are backwards people, which they are.
I personally have no problem with people being religious, only with fundamentalists.
I don't think you've grasped what gender roles mean. Woman provider and man caretaker goes against traditional gender roles. It's a good example of establishing roles within the household, but if we were living in a world with prevalent gender roles, it'd be unacceptable. Gender roles stem from gender stereotypes, and while it's not inherently bad for a woman to stay at home and let the man work, what matters is the choice and consenzus between the two. Want to earn money and want your partner to stay at home or vice versa? Ok. Want to share chores and both go to work? Ok. Many people get the notion that only the sharing chores option is the egalitarian one, but I disagree. Any of these are okay as long as both parties agree and neither is forced to give anything up to do what their partner wants.
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"Religion is just made up stories". Yeah sure. That's why the three biggest religions share literally the same events having no differences aside from names in which these stories have(Christianity being the odd one out because of their continuation in the new testament). Just think man. How insane it is to dismiss all 3 simply because you don't believe it. At least investigate it. I'll get you started by tagging you in a post.
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Fundamentalists haven't won a battle in ages. They are literally just here annoying people. That's all.
Now I don't want to sound mean but using the same argumentation as you just did, I could say that the same/similar pantheon of gods was worshipped by both the Ancient Greeks and the Romans, which proves they're real. But we all know that's not true because the Romans basically ripped off the greek gods and conveniently renamed them. I could present the same "proof" with Nordic and Icelandic gods, or Slavic paganism, but of course I'd be laughed at. Do you see where I'm coming from?
I mean even Dubai's legal system is based off Sharia, if I remember correctly there was a case with a woman being prosecuted for "extra marital sex" because she was raped…
But I'd like to point out that it was the Christian West who started a crusade against the Middle East because their religion was different. It was the western folk who were backwards and fundamentalist back then, and by setting their cities on fire we've basically destroyed the eastern folk's knowledge and culture and made their societal progress stagnate. If you meet a Muslim in the West today they're normal people because they adapted to our society, but the Middle East is a different story.
Also look at Israel and Palestine.
It's not the religion, it's the society.
As far as I'm concerned Christianity also explains stuff. You know, like the creation of the world and everything in it. It just doesn't go into detail as much as the Greeks. But anyway, why does that matter? Is it special because it doesn't explain why it rains or why there's echo?
I'm an atheist but I'm pretty tolerant when it comes to religion which is why it always boggles my mind when I get laughed at because I advocate religious equality for "pagan" gods.
Still, disrespecting someone for preferring pagan gods or spirits or being an atheist is just wrong and you won't undo it by a few minutes of praying.
Oh look, the White House staff likes Obama. There's a shocker.