We just need a universal healthcare system similar to Canada's (maybe one that's a little quicker). No muss, no fuss, just go in and get your shit taken care of
My mother's bill for a month in the hospital was $222,000 and that's not the separate bills for specialists and her brain surgery, her insurance knocked the 220k bill to roughly $500. Still a lot but payable at least.
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· 7 years ago
Obamacare isn't always bad when the insurance companies do as they're supposed to.
My family was paying about 2,000 ish dollars annually but since Obama care we have payed about 8,000 dollars annually so that is why I don't like Obama care
I live in a country with universal healthcare and I don't mind having higher taxes - in fact I love that my taxes are helping a little boy get asthma medications, or an old man's cancer treatments, or so a single mother can afford to have regular doctor's visits. I'm not saying this system can't have flaws but it's a good place for industrialised nations to head towards.
I was covered before Obamacare. Once that bs took effect by insurance cost went from $78 a paycheck to $274. That is every 2 weeks, making only $10 an hour. If I choose to forego insurance because I can't afford it and food and shelter, I have to pay almost $1000 before I can file for my income tax. Tell me, how is that in anyway beneficial.
People in california who pay taxes are paying for a 3rd of all of Californias health insurance... which, btw is a lot. The system does work if you are the poor person who needs the support(you don't have to be that poor actually...) but its very hard on those who are paying for it(middle and upper class)
Yeah I know (could be helped by cutting foreign aid but we all know that won't happen) but I thought that America would put the health of its citizens first and need for weapons second.
"The needs of the many need to outweigh the needs of the few" this phrase has meant so much to socialist revolutionaries through the years. This phrase is one part of state controlled healthcare that terrifies me. Ridiculously priced care is another issue. I have friends paying over $13,500 annually for high deductible coverage that used to be low deductible coverage for under $4000. That is not affordable. That is what is bleeding the working class dry. It'd be so much easier if I could pay my wife's doctor with a dozen eggs and a pie.
"Just don't look at my tax return."
Would be even nicer if we worked to lower those astronomical healthcare costs in the first place, rather than just shoving the costs off on someone else.
But that's just my opinion.
Astronomical healthcare costs are a combination of
idiots who sue for things they should not be able to (my doctor made me upset and I think he didn't do the best he could so now that I am alive but not 100% whole because of a terrible illness it's his fault - malpractice insurance and legal fees for the hospital);
the people who do pay have to make up for those without insurance who ride the ER for what would easily be a 10% or less bill through a clinic or standard PCP (ER-you're not walking out without paying at least a grand after insurance, if you use an ambulance it's ~$500) the hospitals have to have the staff, equipment, rooms, rushed tests, etc. it adds up;
and in order to afford good doctors/nurses who just spent years of their lives and hundreds of thousands on education, in order to have those multi million dollar MRI, hundred thousand dollar XRay machine, varying costs of lab diagnostics, maintenance of those machines and research into drugs/procedures.
It's not free.
Well actually it's everyone who pays taxes not just one class. It's also the person who got the bill too
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· 7 years ago
obamacare didn't do this. the insurance did. if obama didn't mess up the system it would be cheaper to buy insurance. yes subsidiaries helped low income, but it hurt everyone else. many people who busted their butts to get where they are, are now struggling to get insurance because it cost far more. most people have worse plans for more money. i bet a lot of the newly insured were people who could afford it, but didn't want it and now are legally having to pay. on top of all that many people are not paying enough attention to see that it is failing. it cost more than it did last year. insurance companies are dropping plans and leaving states. premiums are going up. i would be paying half for a better plan right now if it wasn't for Obamacare screwing it all up. i just had to change insurers due to them leaving, i lost all my doctors and paying more money this year. it would be worse next year. you may not like Trump, but he is trying to fix it before it is to late.
A lot of people don't realize it's not "free." The money, while some can be written off by the hospital, is used to pay for developing of that cancer treatment, the doctors, the medicine, the surgical equipment, etc.
It should be obvious that insurance isn't there to lose money. It's a betting game - If (typically younger) healthy people pay for insurance they don't use, extra money from that can be used to pay for the more expensive unhealthy people. If those healthy people say they won't be buying insurance so they can save money and just (through the ACA) buy it when they need it, the whole thing falls apart, the money they make off of people who used the insurance won't cover those same people unless it's just basic visits, there just won't be enough money - it's why the rates of those of us who aren't subsidized started skyrocketing in price (both insurance and deductibles) and going down in coverage.
thanks Obama for making me pay for this guy's treatment instead of fixing the medical industry. i like to pay for his free health care and when i go to the hospital i want to pay 40 dollars for a aspirin and 20 for a bandage.
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· 7 years ago
This is closer than we were to universal healthcare. If it's really so hard for you to pay a bit more so someone doesn't have to live in bankruptcy because of an illness they can't control, then move to another country.
Except that a lot of people who were already on the edge are being pushed over, either by the cost of the insurance itself, or the fine for not having it. As soon as you make it illegal for people not to have a service, of course companies are going to jack up the prices.
Don't go to the hospital for something that can be treated with aspirin and bandages
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· 7 years ago
Also don't Google your symptoms for the LOVE OF GOD. Here in the UK we have a non emergency line and you can call it if you're worried about something that's wrong with you instead of going to A&E
Would be even nicer if we worked to lower those astronomical healthcare costs in the first place, rather than just shoving the costs off on someone else.
But that's just my opinion.
idiots who sue for things they should not be able to (my doctor made me upset and I think he didn't do the best he could so now that I am alive but not 100% whole because of a terrible illness it's his fault - malpractice insurance and legal fees for the hospital);
the people who do pay have to make up for those without insurance who ride the ER for what would easily be a 10% or less bill through a clinic or standard PCP (ER-you're not walking out without paying at least a grand after insurance, if you use an ambulance it's ~$500) the hospitals have to have the staff, equipment, rooms, rushed tests, etc. it adds up;
and in order to afford good doctors/nurses who just spent years of their lives and hundreds of thousands on education, in order to have those multi million dollar MRI, hundred thousand dollar XRay machine, varying costs of lab diagnostics, maintenance of those machines and research into drugs/procedures.
It's not free.
It should be obvious that insurance isn't there to lose money. It's a betting game - If (typically younger) healthy people pay for insurance they don't use, extra money from that can be used to pay for the more expensive unhealthy people. If those healthy people say they won't be buying insurance so they can save money and just (through the ACA) buy it when they need it, the whole thing falls apart, the money they make off of people who used the insurance won't cover those same people unless it's just basic visits, there just won't be enough money - it's why the rates of those of us who aren't subsidized started skyrocketing in price (both insurance and deductibles) and going down in coverage.