There are inunerable factors to everything that allowed that little girl to be in the right place and time to be saved. Trained doctors, pharmacists, nurses, researchers, and even paper pushers made it possible. Only the most conceited professional will not admit there is some level of chance in what they do. Call it what you want, luck, God, destiny, whatever. This woman is thankful her baby has been saved, and a little girl will have a chance to grow up. For me, if this woman thought I was acting as an agent of her God or of leprechauns from Venus it is inconsequential in the face of the outcome. You hear all the time "It was only by luck a passerby happened along to help" or "I was lucky to make it out alive." There's truth to that statement. Wether it be random statistics or the will of a divine being, I cannot take full credit for my own successes. Too many other people play a hand and that element of randomness can't be discounted. god is the name of these things to her.
Actually there is no luck involved and no chance involved. Some people are just less likely to survive. It was all predeterminded by timing, health of people involved, and several other minor factors. There is absolutely not a single position that requires any god of any kind.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chance
Chance is in essence the possibility for the unaccounted for to occur. Since medical treatments do not always go as predicted, illnesses can take seemingly random turns, and there is a vast degree of data and factors which humans cannot or do not have the ability to account for- anything we do has an element of chance. That is what statistics are, the chance of a probability, always with an uncertainty to outcome. Simply: you cannot prove something is impossible, only unlikely or Unobserved. As for god no. Nothing requires you to believe in god, and you can get along in life just fine without any religion or spirituality- but nor does anything preclude the existence of a god. As I said, the arrogant can claim to know everything, or not be subject to mathematical facts. Me, I'm learning as I go so forgive me if I haven't seen the entire universe and can't provide proof something doesn't exist.
I know what placebo effect is, but I do not understand the reply, please explain?
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@kurama_otsutsuki said it: "There is absolutely not a single position that requires any god of any kind." - he's NOT saying "there is no god" more like "assuming there's a god does not help explain anything".
I never said gods or god do not exist, I said all actions contain an element of unpredictability. I respect if @kurama_otsutsuki believes in destiny or an all powerful being which precludes any randomness in their idea of the universe, and I have no way to prove such isn't the case, as I also said. Even if there is destiny we are unaware of what is in store, and science cannot yet fully explain or reveal the universe to us. Those who dedicate their life to study cannot claim to know it all or predict probability with certainty. Thus it is arrogant to presume that any person can or should be able to do so. Religion isn't a tool of scientific understanding but a system by which one deals with lack of understanding and finds some way to connect with their world.
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Unpredictability is not randomness. Everything we can predict has been unpredictable once until someone found the way to predict it. Trying to predict things is the beginning of science. No scientist would claim to "know it all". I don't think Kurama_otsutsuki believes in "destiny". What happens to a person is not determined by fate but by conditions and circumstances. The assumption of "a creator" or whatever you want to call it will not help explain anything at all, it will only make you stop asking. A believer will not ask who or what created the creator, a scientist will. Assuming randomness as base of all creation makes more sense.
And what of scientists who are also believers? Did they stop looking for answers? When did Faraday, Mendel, Kelvin, Planck, or Einstein stop looking? In fact Einstein was enticed to discovery, in his own words, by a desire to understand the work of God. You say there is no randomness- so then I am obviously using the wrong words. That which humans lack the ability to predict with total accuracy or explain with certainty, that which occurs against probability or expectation. What word would you use to describe this? I shall use that word so that we can have an equivocal meaning.
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"And what of scientists who are also believers? Did they stop looking for answers? " - Apparently yes.
Like if the person is saved, the family will thank god
But if something bad happens during surgery, they all yelling at the doctor calling him names
Like what the fuck is that
When something bad happens people feel powerless. To regain some of that feeling of power they want to hold someone accountable, so they can at least feel proactive. In general gods work poorly for this as the only way to feel power over most gods is to disown them. Therefore when someone is to blame they choose flesh. I call it "genie syndrome." Many religious people see their god as a wish granting genie, when most religions dictate gods as beings of mysterious will who serve whatever their own purpose is. Many people use faith more as a crutch than a principal to live by. In truth though no human is ever completely true or consistent to their own ideals when judged by others.
Chance is in essence the possibility for the unaccounted for to occur. Since medical treatments do not always go as predicted, illnesses can take seemingly random turns, and there is a vast degree of data and factors which humans cannot or do not have the ability to account for- anything we do has an element of chance. That is what statistics are, the chance of a probability, always with an uncertainty to outcome. Simply: you cannot prove something is impossible, only unlikely or Unobserved. As for god no. Nothing requires you to believe in god, and you can get along in life just fine without any religion or spirituality- but nor does anything preclude the existence of a god. As I said, the arrogant can claim to know everything, or not be subject to mathematical facts. Me, I'm learning as I go so forgive me if I haven't seen the entire universe and can't provide proof something doesn't exist.
But if something bad happens during surgery, they all yelling at the doctor calling him names
Like what the fuck is that