You can be held legally liable for their death because as part of the good Samaritan act or something if you're capable of performing cpr you have to do it, good news is this will protect you from fuckwits who will try to claim sexual assualt when you save their lives
Nope. This is false. Most good Samaritan laws don't force you to take action, they protect you from retribution if you take action, are trained, and something bad happens. If you're a random bystander you're A. Not required to do anything and B. Still able to get into trouble if you're not trained to help and you really need something up.
I don't think there is any legal obligation to help anyone else unless there's a preexisting condition where you are beholden to them, like in the case of a parent/guardian.
The good Samaritan act is to protect those that do help from legal action that may be taken against them. The "duty to rescue" is when you can be held accountable for not rescuing somone in danger, but its not used in most counties. The only time it is used in most counties is if you are their parent/guardian or you are directly resposible for the dangerous situation.
Y'all talk about this but in reality I think some bitch actually did that to a guy once. He saved her life and she rewarded him by tossing him in jail claiming it was rape
Good Samaritan laws protect against this. If the victim is unable to reply (i.e. unconscious, unresponsive) consent is legally implied. Same goes for a minor without a gaurdian or parent...as long as you are acting in good faith, meaning if someone is having an heart attack don't pull their pants down. If they are not breathing don't stick your finger in their ass...you get the idea.
They had to come up with these laws because scumbags were actually doing this, someone survived by recieving cpr and sued for damages because of broken ribs.
'killing the dying' is not the exactly right term here.
thing is, if someone's having a heart attack, meaning their heart isn't working, at all, they're going to die. whatever you do to try and help them, can only HELP them, it can't HURT them because, as i said, if you don't touch them, in 10 to 20 minutes, they will very likely be dead. that's why it is ALWAYS encouraged for bystanders to ACT. call the ambulance, give compressions, get someone to find a nearby AED, etc. the most dangerous thing is to do nothing. doesn't make you a murderer but it doesn't make you a very good person, either.
as for ribs, they usually break in the elderly or kids. broken ribs can easily be managed. stopped hearts and dead brain can not. so by all means, if you hear something crach during CPR, keep going. if someone does end up suing you over it, tell them i said they're PRIME CUNTS and that they should instead be grateful to be alive and thank you kindly for putting so much effort in helping them.
mostly peopel change their minds about these suits anyway, you just gotta... gotta talk some sense into them. sued plenty of doctors over shit like that, too. y'all USA folks are a bit too trigger-happy when it comes to suing people left and right.
In the current cultural climate this is less than surprising
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Yup, less than surprising that "people" (not tp say men) make up the "risk" a live saver giving cpr would be sued for sexual harassment. Men are trying too hard to present themselves as victims, when not everything is about them any more. We'll get over that.
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I don't think it's men trying to be victims, I think it's men (or anyone for that matter) being overly cautious in a litigious society. We have sued each other into paralysis. Now instead of just helping someone, we have to factor in a possible lawsuit.
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(Most) people: "You can't masturbate in front of a woman or even show her your dick if she hasn't explicitely asked for it" - (Some) men: "So I can't give a dying woman cpr or I'l ,get sued as a rapist". Sure, that's apparently men "being overly cautious in a litigious society" and something to be actually worried about.
You're forgetting that there have been women who have sued their saviour because "they didn't give consent". These statements and statistics are not just men trying to be victims, it's because it has actually happened and not some theoretical bullshit.
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You have probably read a few times about one alleged case, "Cassidy Boon". Which is a hoax, made up by a satire site. https://www.snopes.com/cassidy-boon-drowning/ - you seem to be easy prey.
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I'm sure whoever is voting ^^ this down is still in the process of finding some actual case of "women who have sued their saviour"... I mean with all "these statements and statistics"...
Weather it happened or not, the point is that the thought of a possible lawsuit is clearly on the minds of people and may be influencing the descision to render aid. It seems like you just want to make this about men, if that is the case I'll bet $100 that nothing anyone says will sway you so again, you win the argument. <some> men have this mysterious agenda, we all heard it at the men meeting last month.
I wonder why it's on people's minds...
Could it be that the internet is full of people peddling ignorance and fear?
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"Weather it happened or not, the point is... " - that's where you're loosing me, because whether stuff like that happened or not was the _very_ point about what stream_42 said. A lot of what is on peoples minds about crazy x-wave feminazis today has been planted there by 4chan trolls and meninists. Like operation lollipop http://bfy.tw/F773
Kinda my point, but thanks for the 1 minute reflex downthumb! :D
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And what about this "whatabout" reflex? What would be my "own bullshit" here, please? I'm still waiting for 1 (one) legit example of a woman sueing her saviour for molesting her. Why do you always have to make this a men/women, left/right narrative? This is not men against women, this is creeps, trolls and assholes vs. decent people, but it seems your (famous1) personal identity sensitivities get the better of you each time it's about super simple right vs. wrong matters.
I'm sorry, I only present evidence to people who respect me as a person. Not those who only see a "blockhead", "action doll", or "caricature". Much less someone who doesn't even consider me a person.
I'd be more inclined to oblige just about anyone who isn't you.
That MIGHT be believable if you and others on FS had a reputation for providing evidence for what you post/comment.
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Hm, you can only present evidence if there is any in the first place. As we all know for a fact by now that for this BS there isn't, I didn't expect any. I don't get how someone can humiliate himself to such an extent, instead just shutting up. "You peasant are not worthy to be argued with"? Dude, you just gave gave yourself a Dirty Sanchez, chapeau.
I never said that. You aren't beneath me, or at least you weren't. Not until you decided to tell me you considered me subhuman.
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Keep pretending to victimize yourself. You're just trying and cover up how you ain't got shit to back up this nonsense, which you keep pretending to be real, purely out of spite. So sad.
You really don't have a right to say how he keeps going out of spite when that's exactly what you're doing right now. Hypocrisy tends to undermine the message. When it comes to this matter it might not have happened but your comment about feminazis being made up by 4chan is just bullshit. Sure, feminazis aren't that common but they sure as hell do exist. I've met a few myself and some go by this cpr logic. We're not trying to vicrimize men but we don't want idiots to attack us with flawed logic either.
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I don't know if you intend to distort my statement, or if you don't get what I'm saying and what not. What I wrote: "A lot of what is on peoples minds about crazy x-wave feminazis today has been planted there by 4chan trolls and meninists" is very much different from your representation of what I said. On purpose? Probably not, as your own statement "feminazis aren't that common but they sure as hell do exist." is in no way contradicting anything I said. These real existing feminazis are the result of "annoying feminazis minus trolls pretending to be feminazis". Concerted actions of 4chan trolls to discredit feminists are real. And yes, feminazis exist. Just like MGTOW and the disciples of RooshV. 1/2
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2/2 As to the spite: I'm defending my point here. He's implying - against his better judgement - that there really are women sueing their life saviors for sexual harassment after they were rescued by cpr. Why? There are crazy females spewing nonsense like a dying woman needs to give consent to touch her boobs, so what. If he had any evidence there was an existing problem, why not present it in order to help stream_42 who wrote "there have been women who have sued their saviour because "they didn't give consent". [… ] it has actually happened and not some theoretical bullshit." - which is what this discussion thread is about. Famousones attitude of not presenting evidence to me because I "considered [him] subhuman - for calling him a living GI Joe figurine LOL - is really dumb, but the bad part is "I'd be more inclined to oblige just about anyone who isn't you." - yeah, that would be stream_42, so? And of course he would, but he Doesn't. Have. Jack. Sh!t. So what is this but spite?
y'all do realise that boobs are NOT on the sternum tho right? there's this 5 cm wide flat bone in the middle of everyone's chest, it's what you should be applying pressure to, not the boobs.
since mouth to mouth is the most common reason people don't wanna perform cpr -
remember: there's no need for a mouth to mouth UNLESS it's a drowned person OR a child. regular, garden variety heart attacks do perfectly fine with just CPR for those few minutes that it takes for the paramedics to show up. as long as you get blood circulating, there's still lenough oxygen in those 5 liters of blood to help sustain the brain.
The sternum is about 5cm wide, the heel of my hand is about that too. The rest of my hand (palm and fingers) is going to touch boob. Nothing wrong with that, but it's gonna happen.
And yes, you do get some air movement when doing compressions, it's usually enough until medical help and equipment can get there.
the air movement while compressing the chest does fuck all in terms of reoxygenation because breaths have to be deep enough to exchange the air in alveoli etc etc. still, there's enough oxygen in the blood itself and also the lungs to help oxygenate the brain for a few minutes while the help arrives, that's why cpr is vital.
as for hands, you can always intertwine your fingers and flex them but honestly, touching boobs accidentally really shouldn't be an issue when you're trying to save someone's life.
If you did, you'd be a rapist.
Should we count dying as consent?
thing is, if someone's having a heart attack, meaning their heart isn't working, at all, they're going to die. whatever you do to try and help them, can only HELP them, it can't HURT them because, as i said, if you don't touch them, in 10 to 20 minutes, they will very likely be dead. that's why it is ALWAYS encouraged for bystanders to ACT. call the ambulance, give compressions, get someone to find a nearby AED, etc. the most dangerous thing is to do nothing. doesn't make you a murderer but it doesn't make you a very good person, either.
as for ribs, they usually break in the elderly or kids. broken ribs can easily be managed. stopped hearts and dead brain can not. so by all means, if you hear something crach during CPR, keep going. if someone does end up suing you over it, tell them i said they're PRIME CUNTS and that they should instead be grateful to be alive and thank you kindly for putting so much effort in helping them.
I don't think it's men trying to be victims, I think it's men (or anyone for that matter) being overly cautious in a litigious society. We have sued each other into paralysis. Now instead of just helping someone, we have to factor in a possible lawsuit.
Could it be that the internet is full of people peddling ignorance and fear?
I'd be more inclined to oblige just about anyone who isn't you.
since mouth to mouth is the most common reason people don't wanna perform cpr -
remember: there's no need for a mouth to mouth UNLESS it's a drowned person OR a child. regular, garden variety heart attacks do perfectly fine with just CPR for those few minutes that it takes for the paramedics to show up. as long as you get blood circulating, there's still lenough oxygen in those 5 liters of blood to help sustain the brain.
And yes, you do get some air movement when doing compressions, it's usually enough until medical help and equipment can get there.
as for hands, you can always intertwine your fingers and flex them but honestly, touching boobs accidentally really shouldn't be an issue when you're trying to save someone's life.