This is so horribly wrong, I’m sorry that you feel this is the case guys but women do not have a more privileged place in society and men shouldn’t have to deal with any form of body shaming (or any other nastiness) as much as women
That’s just as wrong as anything women face, which is why feminism is around. Men shouldn’t have to be told to ‘man up’ or anything like that ‘stop being pussies’. Equality folks
I’m going to respectfully say something that I hope you don’t take the wrong way.
Feminism is heavily misconstrued as something for only women because traditionally it was to push equality for women in a time when we couldn’t even get the vote, let alone be considered the same as men. It isn’t about pushing one sex/gender forward, it’s about saying an individual is an individual who should be treated as such. Men have feelings, women are capable of working to the same level as men. Men can be just as good a parent as women, women can be just as intelligent as men. I think you need to read up on what it’s about rather than disagreeing with a movement that genuinely wants to help Everyone.
We need to separate some things here. Firstly though I want to say that the whole “man up” thing is unfair on many levels. That said it doesn’t cancel out the fact that women should have rights and respect. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Next: we need to realize that in a historically male dominated society men are the ones who were primarily responsible for shaping gender roles through social policy. Do you really think that when women couldn’t work, choose who they married (or didn’t), own property etc. that they were the ones not hinting men for being to effeminate, or harassing men over being manly? It was mostly men. This isn’t a blame game. It’s just a call to realize that women didn’t create those rules and shouldn’t have them used against them when they call for equality. The issue isn’t a men’s or womens issue- it’s an issue of traditional gender roles being largely outdated and opening up to accepting more possibilities.
For as long as men have been being told to man up women have been told to man down. Don’t vote, stay at home, don’t be assertive or bold. Do t have opinions or a job and so on. Women fought hard to wear pants, work and fight along side men and even to be able to speak or wrote a letter without the “man of the House” reading it first. Women have in a manner of speaking been “manning up” and if men want to “woman up” they can. It is a long struggle to change society’s perception. People may laugh, you may face legal and personal consequences like female rights pioneers- but seeking your own rights doesn’t mean we have to fear others away or stand in their way. You should try for equality but be happy when others get a little closer. It’s not a fight and putting away ideas that men or women have certain roles or behave or dress or love a certain way is a major step towards it.
Lol. Sorry @mickymouse. We make a good team though. You cover things succinctly for all the people who won’t bother to read a whole essay. We covered all our bases.
I think the point they are trying to make is that if a women calls a guy fat or ugly or says she won’t date a guy who is short or fat, no one really says anything or even agrees without whereas if a man calls a girl fat or ugly or says he only dates tall women or blond women he is told that he is a a pig or shallow. I’m not saying it’s correct or my opinion just explaining what I believe to be his point.
Yeah. “Ugly” girls have it much easier. Everyone wants to date a 6’2” tall woman who weighs 350lbs. Maybe being “ugly” is a handicap for anyone- and maybe the best people won’t care if they get to know you (but being not “ugly” usually helps that out.) But I’ve known short men (5’2” or so) who do just fine. They’re great guys and many women see them as a catch. One thing I’ll say asides the obvious that superficial men and women are just that- and likely you’re better off elsewhere unless that’s who you are too- is that as you get older (or wiser in life experience) people really start to care more about who you are and the future you’re building than superficial stuff. But yeah/ it can suck when you’re young and lonely/horny. Hang in there and work on your life and your game. You’ll meet assholes at any age, but dating is a numbers game. You get lucky or you don’t and the odds on any 1 person aren’t great but sometimes you luck out. Keep trying and refining yourself until you do.
It sucks, it’s sad, and it’s real that in society playing off a fat male character for laughs is much safer than playing off a fat woman in 2018. That said if we look at the roots it makes sense even if it’s wrong. Men aren’t traditionally valued as sex objects- but as providers. In social context women are the underdog and even today much of a woman’s value in society is linked to her appearance. A fat bald man makes a seasoned CEO but a fat bald woman is seen as less so. From that it’s seen as devaluing a woman and taking away the thing media and society emphasize a woman should treasure most. For a man a sense of humor (or being the butt of jokes in good spirit) are seen more as virtuous. Ask most female comedians about what being funny does in society for a woman. The large men of the world will be fine on money and personality as if you look you’ll often see beautiful women with larger men and male celebs. Now look at “fat” women and how many are dating what could be a male model.
Just to be clear I’m not saying it’s right. No one should be shamed for their appearance or weight or many things really. It’s disgusting and wrong and the belushis, candys, and Farley’s can show that despite being rich, loved, and famous the mental and emotional trauma of being seen as a laughing stick just for waking up how you are can destroy a person body and spirit. That doesn’t mean we need to drag women into it- it’s not a contest. It means as a society we shouldn’t be doing such things at all.
I gonna turn both down tbh
I don't like fat people. It's my preference
Yea! I fucking say it. Downvote all ya want
Unless I somehow fall in love with the person so I just can't help my feeling (happened before, I still didn't like that he's overweight)
Otherwise, it's no
Cause say whatever you want, look is not and will never be nothing
The day people get to tell us what turns us on is the day I get with Elon and fly to mars. While I don’t think it’s right to shame or discriminate, and certain logical explainations are bullshit- you aren’t attracted to that. I’m not attracted to anyone too skinny. There’s people for everyone. If it’s personal preference that’s what it is- media bias is a different thing all together as media has certain social responsibilities due to the ability of information saturation to shape people’s thoughts.
maybe (fat) guys shoulnd't act like they deserve every girl they want and if she rejects them, call them names. I've never seen a fat girl insulting a guy because he didn't want to go out with her.
Yeah, if there's one thing we know about society, it's that fat women just have it so damn easy. You know, those fat guys should ask out those fat women. Then maybe they wouldn't be rejected. I mean, since they want to be loved for who they are, not their appearance and all.
Anyone can make fun of fat boys, but the minute anyone insults a fat girl, the world stops turning
Feminism is heavily misconstrued as something for only women because traditionally it was to push equality for women in a time when we couldn’t even get the vote, let alone be considered the same as men. It isn’t about pushing one sex/gender forward, it’s about saying an individual is an individual who should be treated as such. Men have feelings, women are capable of working to the same level as men. Men can be just as good a parent as women, women can be just as intelligent as men. I think you need to read up on what it’s about rather than disagreeing with a movement that genuinely wants to help Everyone.
I don't like fat people. It's my preference
Yea! I fucking say it. Downvote all ya want
Unless I somehow fall in love with the person so I just can't help my feeling (happened before, I still didn't like that he's overweight)
Otherwise, it's no
Cause say whatever you want, look is not and will never be nothing