As a parent of three, these are completely reasonable. It's rude as shit to bring your screaming child in to disturb a room full of people just trying to eat and have a good time.
The problem is that those parents pov is tgat we have to get that kids are kids and we should me more understanding. But I totally agree. If I'm in a kids place sure scream all you want, but no kids should not be ruining and screaming in other restaurants. It is dangerous and can be annoying. I don't have kids but if I can't handle him or her I guess i'd go or step outside for a moment specially if It's a nice restaurant.
It's not society's job to be understanding of your child disrupting an entire place of business and putting themselves and others in danger (hot food and dropping utensils is dangerous, not to mention causing people to trip). The note says a "reasonable" level of noise. They're not asking the children to take a vow of silence or even not be a little rowdy at the table, just not run around and not overly disturb others, so if the guy thinks they're not being understanding then he is beyond unreasonable imo.
I don't have kids either, but I've gotten to the point where I've had to tell other peoples' kids to stop what they're doing because it's endangering people around them (in particular two boys at an amusement park who kept slamming into each other so hard they'd bounce back and nearly clobbered a kid half their size and age who was standing in line a good distance behind them behind them). If you don't want to parent their kids, then the only advice I can give them is don't have kids, and stop being so unreasonable now that you do have them
Yeah I mean many times I have seen kids being unsafe in the sense that they are playing disrupting others, and they can push or hit others. And you get mad at the patents because theyare not even looking. And again there are places where that should be unacceptable. I feel likr sometimes they are tired so they don't want to bother but be like that at home if you want but not in public.
Seriously, the amount of times I've had to use reflex to not spill or drop a hot plate/drink on a kids head cause they're sprinting blind is astounding. I don't mind as much as some people but still, just because you're in a restaurant doesn't mean the staff are suddenly babysitters.
The only time I wouldn’t like this is if the family had a special needs child, because sometimes you just can’t eliminate all noise, and those families still deserve service.
You still don't have to get offended if they ask you to keep your child at the table? As I said to the other guest, if it doesn't apply to you, it doesn't apply to you, move on with your day.
Unpopular opinion: Even if you have a special needs child, if they're constantly getting up and causing danger to themselves and others, then you either have to find an alternative of dealing with them, or don't take them to restaurants where they need to sit for long periods of time. I have all the sympathy in the world for parents with special needs kids, and if getting up happens a few times, as with any kid, that's fine. But, again, the waiters/tresses are carrying hot food, silverware, and breakables. They are also carrying their muscles, bones, and blood vessels in their bodies. None of which should end up on the floor, banged up, broken, or damaged in any way, and they should not have to play hopscotch the entire evening around your child.
Not to mention if your kid themself gets hurt, those injuries will likely come with a whole host of new problems.
The noise factor for special needs I think has more leeway, but again, if the child is going to do nothing but literally scream at the top of their lungs like a banshee every five minutes for ten minutes, I don't really see how it's fair to take it out in public and demand it sit for that length of time. Especially without taking it outside once in awhile to give both it and the people around it a break. I personally get headaches from screaming children very easily, and at the end of your meal wait staff don't get to go home. The occasional outburst, even more frequent onces when the kid is special needs, is fine, but it all has to be in reason-- which is written on the card.
It kinda sounds like he was upset because his daughter was seven and was "in no habit of creating chaos." Like how dare they suggest that his precious daughter would make trouble.
That's the same Logic as a non-smoker getting offended when they see a "no smoking sign" because how dare they imply you were about to light up. They don't know you. They don't know your life. Or getting offended about "no merchandise beyond this point," because it implies you were about to shove product down your underwear and make a break for it.
If the sign/pamphlet doesn't apply to you, it doesn't apply to you, but trying to shame someone for politely trying to sort out an already difficult societal issue that's causing hazards for them on a daily basis just because it might hurt their precious snowflake's feelings is just wrong from every viewpoint.
Has anybody here watched “Idiocracy“? If you give people the feeling that they are unwanted if they have children intelligent people won't reproduce and only the dumb ones will. My wife and I decided not to have a second child because of this kind of Restaurants. Even a child that is normally well-behaved can throw a temper Tantrum. In Restaurants like this I just can't relax together with my child this is the reason why my wife and I decided not to have a second child. if we treat parents in this way only people without perspective will become parents.
Dude, if your child throws a tantrum, do the intelligent thing and TAKE THEM OUTSIDE. They literally say REASONABLE LEVELS. Or did you just go into auto-offended mode?
The alternative to not parenting your children is letting them run around until they knock into a waiter and a knife falls through their skull, and then the problem almost solves itself I guess. Except the problem isn't the child. It's the parents. And now the waiter needs therapy, the parents will likely sue, but the good news is people like you won't feel bad about reproducing? Seriously?
Your argument that people respectfully ask you not let your children behave like demons to a "reasonable" (yes they include that statement) degree discouraged you from reproducing more is actually the most hopeful part of your entire statement..
Seriously, he needs to get a grip.
Unpopular opinion: Even if you have a special needs child, if they're constantly getting up and causing danger to themselves and others, then you either have to find an alternative of dealing with them, or don't take them to restaurants where they need to sit for long periods of time. I have all the sympathy in the world for parents with special needs kids, and if getting up happens a few times, as with any kid, that's fine. But, again, the waiters/tresses are carrying hot food, silverware, and breakables. They are also carrying their muscles, bones, and blood vessels in their bodies. None of which should end up on the floor, banged up, broken, or damaged in any way, and they should not have to play hopscotch the entire evening around your child.
The noise factor for special needs I think has more leeway, but again, if the child is going to do nothing but literally scream at the top of their lungs like a banshee every five minutes for ten minutes, I don't really see how it's fair to take it out in public and demand it sit for that length of time. Especially without taking it outside once in awhile to give both it and the people around it a break. I personally get headaches from screaming children very easily, and at the end of your meal wait staff don't get to go home. The occasional outburst, even more frequent onces when the kid is special needs, is fine, but it all has to be in reason-- which is written on the card.
If the sign/pamphlet doesn't apply to you, it doesn't apply to you, but trying to shame someone for politely trying to sort out an already difficult societal issue that's causing hazards for them on a daily basis just because it might hurt their precious snowflake's feelings is just wrong from every viewpoint.
The alternative to not parenting your children is letting them run around until they knock into a waiter and a knife falls through their skull, and then the problem almost solves itself I guess. Except the problem isn't the child. It's the parents. And now the waiter needs therapy, the parents will likely sue, but the good news is people like you won't feel bad about reproducing? Seriously?
Your argument that people respectfully ask you not let your children behave like demons to a "reasonable" (yes they include that statement) degree discouraged you from reproducing more is actually the most hopeful part of your entire statement..