@pokethebear Anecdotal. No real proof of anything at all, as @silvermyth said there are many reasons other than healthcare. Maybe he's willing to sacrifice good healthcare because of good weather or something.
@guest yes though it could be argued that this is due to the system in place. At least the costs are. But yes the good treatment definitely isn't everywhere.
Was anyone going to mention the 50% income tax rate that they...and all other taxpayers had to fork out to cover this.
So they are all paying for "treatment" regardless of whether or not they will ever need to receive it. Sounds super free
The productive members paid the bill, allowing the generation/continuence of new productive members, who will in turn pay the bills for other non-productive members. It's not so different than getting an insurance policy, it's just mandatory and guaranteed.
A lot of productive members of society in countries without free healthcare can't afford to get treatments they need, which can cause something that might have been a simple fix to turn into a lifelong debilitation, causing them to be unproductive even LONGER, and to likely end up needing assistance anyway.
I don't see why anyone wants to tear down a function in a society that gives people having a hard time a financial break in situations like these. Maybe you don't want it, but the simple solution would be to cancel your plans to move to that country
I mean, if your paying about 16% more of your income in taxes going to health care, I can hardly see why it should be 391. It should honestly be free. The average Finnish person makes 43,000 a year. I mean you're paying 6000 a year for that, it should be free.
How much does the average US citizen pay for health care and education like college fees? Compare that to the amount citizens of other countries pay in taxes and factor in the relief from worry about needing care for an emergency that might not be covered, or not crushing your next generation with debt before they get their first job. Is it really all that bad that taxes cover health care for everyone in return for guaranteed cover for yourself? US tax payers don't seem to mind that TRILLIONS of tax dollars go to ensuring your soldiers can kill, but mention caring for people and ensuring that everyone is given the health care they need and you lose your collective minds. At least, that is how it looks from here.
So here's the issue with that. You're trying to make it about those greedy 25%ers who don't want to pay a teeny bit more to allow fellow citizens to have peace of mind, the reality is that just under 50% of working US citizens PAY NO TAXES, and in actuality, receive money back from the government. So, what you're really asking is for those greedy 25%ers, who make $100,000 or more a year, to pay a LOT more to support those who pay nothing.
If the US is willing to tax everyone at 20%, no matter how much they make, then we can talk, until then, it's just people wanting to stick their hands in my pockets because they don't want to stick them in their own.
Who doesn’t buy food, clothes or fuel? We all do. Unprepared food here in NY is charged no sales tax. Clothing in PA is sales tax exempt while in my county it is taxed at 8.75%. Fuel in my county is taxed around $.75 a gallon. Many low income people (<$75,000 or so) receive tax “refunds” in excess of what they paid in income taxes. Many really low income people receive public benefits on top of that. Under the new fed tax plan people in NY (and other property tax states) owning multiple or high dollar properties now cannot deduct their property tax bills from fed tax, this effectively raises tax rates on those holding onto wealth.
The issue with anything being run by any government is a lack of accountability. If a person starts their own practice because they believe they can deliver a better service at a cheaper price i guarentee you that they'll work their a$$ off to make it work. If its government run, they'll only do the least amount it will take to not get fired or reelected. Innovation, advancement, and investment will fall on its face. And for those of you in single payer countries, you're welcome for all of the discovery and medical advancement that the US produces because the bill for almost all of that innovation is picked up by the people in the USA who pay these large premiums we're always bitching about.
Corruption in the governments of these countries are lower than the one in the United States. America does have a lot of innovation and science, and it's honestly amazing, but you have to remember that America has something like 65 times the population of Finland. You also have to remember that science and innovation is usually a collaborative effort between countries. America still leads the world in research, but recently they have been falling, and it is thought that the lack of government funding for biomedical research is to blame. It's not like they don't promote advancement in Finland. A quote from studyinfinland.fi, which is sponsored by the Finnish National Agency for Education, says that "The Finnish Government offers scholarships of 3-9 months for Doctoral level studies and research at Finnish universities or public research institutes. The Finnish Government Scholarship Pool programme is open to young researchers from all academic fields."
Friendly reminder that Finland is 86% forest (around 4.2 hectares per person).
Either there is no direct correlation between either of these statements, or the trees must be doing something right.
I have no idea what a moomin is, but my brain instantly supplied a Mormon cow, and now I think any other definition might be a huge letdown in comparison.
Also I'm really enjoying how this originally negative comment has turned into interesting/random facts about Finland
Moomins pretty much look like cows though, so you're not far off. They're characters from a finnish children's book (as said in the article ) and are very known and beloved in Finland and surrounding countries
So they are all paying for "treatment" regardless of whether or not they will ever need to receive it. Sounds super free
A lot of productive members of society in countries without free healthcare can't afford to get treatments they need, which can cause something that might have been a simple fix to turn into a lifelong debilitation, causing them to be unproductive even LONGER, and to likely end up needing assistance anyway.
I don't see why anyone wants to tear down a function in a society that gives people having a hard time a financial break in situations like these. Maybe you don't want it, but the simple solution would be to cancel your plans to move to that country
If the US is willing to tax everyone at 20%, no matter how much they make, then we can talk, until then, it's just people wanting to stick their hands in my pockets because they don't want to stick them in their own.
Either there is no direct correlation between either of these statements, or the trees must be doing something right.
Also I'm really enjoying how this originally negative comment has turned into interesting/random facts about Finland