Look I do believe in tips. But I do believe if you have a waiter that is a TERRIBLE waiter than they get less and less. Now if they are busy I understand. But rude, missing, and obviously just doesn't care they will get nothing.
Now that is said. If they are busy yet always there when we need them. Have a good attitude, is friendly, and never lets us run out of drinks or bread. They are getting a big tip.
In fact after that we will make sure to sit in thier section and if they continue the great service than we will continue the big tips.
Now if I go to a fast food place and they asking for tips than I hope you like my change lol. Sorry I just don't see it is right for paying a tip for a dollar burger.
Now if I show up and need a shit ton of food like for a party or something and it is WAY MORE FOOD than a normal person orders than I tip. For that if the bill I over 100 I will count how many people are there and add 5 bucks for each person.
I largely agree. A tip is a gratuity, not an excuse for employers to pay sub living wage, and not a customers responsibility to make it up if they don’t pay living wage. If you pay it out of charity it is a donation and not a tip- and you don’t get to be greedy about hand outs. If it’s paid as a tip it is because your service is appreciated. The 20% rule is a good general guide for most tips, although if the service goes above and beyond, so can the tip. If the bill is a couple dollars and the service is good I leave $1. If it’s great I may leave 100-200% of the bill as a tip or more. I expect professionalism, manners, care to the job as basic things to make the 20%. A mistake here or there is human and can’t be held against you in my mind unless it’s grossly negligent. Diners should tip well, but servers should serve well.
Agree plus if they go above and beyond when if it isn't for me but I see it than I tip big. Like 2 cases where the first was me and my daughter when she was 6. We had our first mommy and daughter day. We got our nails done went shopping and went to Denny's. Her favorite place at that time. The waitress was so sweet to my daughter. She said what you two doing today and of course my daughter who is very talkative (wonder where she gets it lmao) says we having mommy daughter day. The waitress told her how exciting and my daughter told all she did and showed her nails and the waitress said how pretty they were and she going to get hers like my daughter's next time she gets hers. And even gave my daughter a little scoop of free ice cream for being so cute. The bill was 30 dollars I left a 30 dollar tip.
Another time I seen not our waiter but a different ones helping a boy with a physical disability. He was unable to feed himself so his mother would take a bite of her food and feed him back and forth. Till the waiter asked if he could help. She let him and he sat there feeding the kid his meal the whole time just chatting away with him. The boy had a huge grin on his face. So after we were done I waited till he was away from their table and I handed him a tip of 20 dollars it wasn't much but we also tipped our own waiter who was good as well. I told him how kind that was of him. He said he didn't do it for a tip I said I know but you deserve one anyways.
My only issue is this. If you're not tipping out back if house and host/ess don't expect 20% or more on bills $30 or more. Servers make out on busy nights but the person that actually made my food is integral and usually underpaid
The cooks are usually paid pretty well. My brother was a cook in many restaurants and he was always paid very well. It was the bus boys and waiters that get paid little. And when you tip the waiters she/he gives some to those who busy the tables in thier section.
This is exactly right. A server, who gives you what you'd consider to be overall pleasant service, should get 20% of the overall bill as a tip. If they did a poor job you give them 0-10%, depending on just how bad they were and if they were exceptional with their service you give them 30% more more if you're feeling overly generous.
I generally agree. I think most places with any kind of service $1 is sort of the minimum tip regardless of percent, unless the item itself was less than $1 and there’s no actual service. It is hard in places where the only service is food prep and cashiering to do bad enough or go above and beyond enough for me to really justify going off percentage. If you order a $1.40 coke at a place that hands it to you over the counter, a .60 or whatever the change is suffices unless you see feel some special reason like they’re very busy but worked hard to serve you fast or something. But you can’t judge customers on tips either. A person making $10 an hour gave you 1/8th a days pay in gratitude with a $10 tip, where a person making $100 an hour gave you 6 minutes pay. You don’t know theor life and they may have given you what to them is a big tip. The actual amount isn’t what shows theor gratitude, it’s the fact that they did what they could to show appreciation.
If I'm out at some event that serves $10 beers and all you do is open it for me, $2 and a thank you is my go to and plenty in my opinion for the 5 seconds that took
Until there is legislation that fixes wages for tipped employees giving tips as a society is just bad. If a server gets a certain amount of money in tips their employer can cut their wages by far more than the minimum tip amount required for it. As a people we need to stop tipping at least until that's not something an employer can do legally anymore
Getting downvotes for the truth. Statically speaking a server in America that does not get tips makes more money for working than a server that does get tips. A server only needs to make 40 dollars in tips in one MONTH to have their wages cut by EXTREME amounts. 40 BUCKS. Americans, as a people, need to stop tipping. It's actively hurting the staff being tipped. Most staff that receive tips do not get enough to make up for the cut wages. But no you lot would rather look like nice people by tipping than actually doing anything to fix the situation fucking over our wait staff.
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I've seen it happen. My brother used to work for a family owned pizzeria that has been sort of blacklisted by highschoolers due to their habit of giving people in the back driver and server wages and even then cutting those wages when drivers and servers got tips. It was awful.
If waiter gave an at leas decent service, in America, they make less than minumun wage so we all know tgey depend on tips, so if you are. Good person or at least not an a-hole leave at least 15%. People think this is adding to the price of food and all but if waiters were to get more money and we woulsn't rup, thwn your food would just cost more. People complain a lot about waiters herr, go to another country werw rios are not expected. You'll see the difference! I had decent and sometimes great service but is not like in Amerixa, and I'm fine with that but a bet yelpers would have fieldtrip complaining.
That’s sort of a key factor though isn’t it? As you say, many service employees make under a living wage. For them to make a living wage, things would likely cost more. But if you pay $10 for a meal and $2 tip, or $12 for a meal and $0 tip- you still paid the same. What’s the difference? I’ll tell you. A system that relies on tips to make up the base salary is a system that allows an employer to pay an employee so little that they need charity to survive. So I’m not saying people shouldn’t tip, but I am saying that putting social pressure on people to feel obligated to pay someone’s salary because their boss is too cheap to isn’t a solid replacement for making a business accountable. If you can’t afford to pay your employees, you can’t afford to be in business, that goes for local small business and global chains.
Sure. But right now that is the system we have in America, and waiters in general put up with a lot of crap and bad wages like you said. We all know this, so if you go out to a restaurant don't try to be "smart" and leave less than 10%. Now if you get bad service you have a right to leave whatever. I still feel bad and leave at least 15% or more if I see that the bad service is because of understaff. I'm not going to punish a server because of the business owner. But I just feel that many that criticize leaving more than 15% have never attempted to work service you know. (Btw the don't be smart part was in general not directly to you )
If you notice my comments above you and research the statistics and economics behind it you would find that tipping is (in america's current legal state) hurtful to the staff. As a people we need to stop tipping until legislation is made so that they cannot cut wages for tipped staff. If everyone in america stopped tipping at once next month tipped staff would as a whole make a lot more money for their work. This however isn't possible as no one is willing to do anything about it because they are scared about looking like an asshole and everyone knows everyone else is scare of looking like an asshole.
Just stop typing won't help. It needs to be changed as a law. I get your point but it needs to be changed in a major scale. And it's not only about looking as an asshole, it is about a waiter working hard for a tip because wages are so low. On the other side, and playing devils advocate, a lot of people already complain about service for the most silly reasons, if servers won't depend on tips in general, not for all servers, but in general attention declines, so some people would really feel te change.
So, I'm all for workwrs getting decent wages meanwhile if somebody makes $2 or $3 an hour, I am leaving a tip to help that person out. If taken to votes sure, give them decent wages however, this might hurt some peoole too. Servers, bartenders in high end restaurants make more money in tips than if they had minimum wage.
if everyone stopped tipping they would no longer make 40 bucks in tips in the same month and their employer would be required to pay them like anyone else. Statistically tipped staff as a whole make less than they would if they did not receive tips. Some tipped staff may make more from tips than they would other wise but they are the minority. If everyone stopped tipping in america all at the same time tipped staff would on average make noticeably more money. People aren't willing to look at the numbers and see that they are part of the problem.
I don’t have time to research the numbers, so I’ll assume that @bethorien is correct. That said, I still see a flaw in the logic. While it may unltimately force a change, in the meantime if everyone were to stop tipping there would be a real human cost to that. Change is slow and laws to bring about a comparable wage could take years- if they passed, which under the current administration and their position on regulation in business.... while that change is being made over possibly years, real people with homes, lives, kids, will be living not just with sub standard wages but also without the safety new of tips. So while it may ultimately benefit society to do without, we would be asking a lot of people to give up what for many constitutes a significant portion of their wages.
If a tipped employee does not make 40 bucks within a month the employer is required to pay them as tho they were not a tipped employee. Depending on the interpretation, state, probably even county that could either mean paying them minimum wage or paying them the equivalent pay based on their tipped hourly wage and how much they were "assumed" to have supposed to get from tips.
I might consider more valid the argument that people in those states should consider stopping tipping while in state, but not that all Americans should not tip at all or shouldn’t tip while in states that care about their service employees. The fact is that what happens on paper and in reality are two different things, and you can only be dinged for tips you report. Is it illegal not to report tips? Yes. Does it happen? Yes. Yes it does, even in states where tips aren’t credited to employers as minimum wage, because of things like taxes and tip pools. So I’m not convinced that people should stop tipping entirely. I usually leave cash tips, or leave a minimal card tip and then most of the tip in cash so that there is a record of a small tip and what happens to the cash isn’t my business.
Now that is said. If they are busy yet always there when we need them. Have a good attitude, is friendly, and never lets us run out of drinks or bread. They are getting a big tip.
In fact after that we will make sure to sit in thier section and if they continue the great service than we will continue the big tips.
Now if I go to a fast food place and they asking for tips than I hope you like my change lol. Sorry I just don't see it is right for paying a tip for a dollar burger.
Now if I show up and need a shit ton of food like for a party or something and it is WAY MORE FOOD than a normal person orders than I tip. For that if the bill I over 100 I will count how many people are there and add 5 bucks for each person.
I feel it has more to do with % and quality of service than anything else
So, I'm all for workwrs getting decent wages meanwhile if somebody makes $2 or $3 an hour, I am leaving a tip to help that person out. If taken to votes sure, give them decent wages however, this might hurt some peoole too. Servers, bartenders in high end restaurants make more money in tips than if they had minimum wage.