Hypocrisy of the person making a point does not invalidate the point anyways. If you have to resort to calling someone a hypocrite as a counter argument you are admitting you are in the wrong.
I would agree- with qualification, that hypocrisy isn’t a counter to a valid point. A murderer speaking about murder being wrong for instance- still has a valid point. But pointing out hypocracy doesn’t necessarily invalidate an argument- sometimes it’s quite valid to point out. For instance- if a person Married someone outside their race or culture, and is now saying another person should be shunned for doing the same- and you argue it’s fine to love people of other races or cultures- and point out the hypocrisy, are you in the wrong, or are they still wrong, and is the hope that they might recognize and apply the same acceptance of their own actions to the actions of others? Or our murderer- if they are demanding someone be tortured for murdering another person- but they themselves were not and do not think they should have the same fate- the argument of hypocrisy can be valid when like is compared to like but the hypocrite is advocating an unlike outcome....
... to be just- justice must be equitable. Not equal, as in the abstract no two things can be compared to be exact in all facets and circumstances, but a system of logic requires that a given input have a given output, without this basic stability and equity, people can’t function. Imagine if the amount your job paid per week were not constructed to any formula and was randomized at the discretion of the employer. How would you plan or budget? Similarly, how can people engage in the exchange of ideas and the execution of those ideas unless there is a stability and equity that gives a framework for cause and anticipated effect? Hypocrisy is the opposite of this- where the equitability and thus the ability to predict cause and effect are absent as the reaction to an action and the logic of a conclusion aren’t applied consistently.
So a rapist that advocates against rape is all cool?
How about if Woody Allen suddenly says "Don't marry your daughter."
Kevin Spacey says "Uhm don't grab guys junk."
Pamela Anderson says" Ahhh, yeah, Maybe I should have kept it in my pants."
And all the Khardashians retweet it. And offer everybody a Pepsi.
Great attempt at an appeal to the extreme but not only did you do it wrong but all of your examples are either possible or based off of lies and rumors. It's been proven in countries that have actual rehabilitation prison systems rather than punish and milk for money systems that fixing a criminal is not only possible it's more likely than not when done right.
People not only can change but will change for the better in the right environment.
Woody Allen married his ex wife adopted daughter whose adoptive father was his ex wife's new man. He was never he father of her nor was he ever in a fatherly position.
Yeah.. Uhm you might want to revisit that Woody Allen thing.
In January 1992, Farrow found nude photographs of Previn in Allen's home. Allen, then 57, told Farrow that he had taken the photos the day before, approximately two weeks after he and Previn had first engaged in sexual intercourse.[14] Farrow contends that she broke off her relationship with Allen in 1992 following her discovery of the affair;
This is the line between absolution and acceptance. Anyone who does not have intimate first hand accounts of almost any crime cannot say with certainty what happened. Especially when the evidence is mostly constructed from personal accounts. Was MJ a pedophile, did Cosby rape all those people, some of them? Etc. we make our best determinations based on evidence available. But- Let’s say Kevin Spacey did grab dudes junk- does that mean that’s who he is, all he is as a person? Does that mean that because he did it, he will inevitably grab someone else’s junk? Have you ever stollen, cheated, some some bad thing you were ashamed of or know is wrong? Made a mistake where someone got emotionally, physically, or otherwise hurt? Are you the same person who makes the same decisions you did 10 years ago? If you’re in your 30’s+ are you the same person you were as a teen? People do change. It doesn’t undo what they’ve done, and there is no equivalency....
If you rape someone, it doesn’t cancel out or take it back if you spend the rest of your life like a saint, helping the poor and impoverished and donating your organs to sick children. But the fact that you raped someone also doesn’t erase those good things. There would be people who’s lives you saved that to them or their families- even knowing what you had done, you would be a hero. It’s gross and sticky to think about, but it’s true. The only way around it is to kill anyone who makes a mistake or does something wrong. Not itself an ideal or unsticky solution, and one that would have plenty of people- myself and probably most reading this- dead for some bad thing we did when we were young and dumb or going through some phase of hurt or depression or trauma. So no, you don’t get a free pass for doing wrong, but yes- your life can and is more than one thing you did once upon a time. And while he was a HUGE addict- if Lester to Robert Downy Jr talk about not doing drugs, he’s been...
... down that road and back, and knows well the consequences and the struggles, he knows the temptations and how you slide down that slope, so the fact that at his peak he probably was buying more coke than the whole city of Miami doesn’t make him less credible when he says it, and his actions as far as the public can see shows he genuinely learns some things and has regrets. FYI, to argue otherwise you better argue from a home made raft in the Atlantic because every country and society and all the technology on earth comes from slavery, genocide, exploitation, and worse. That’s something we have to accept. Horrible things happened for us to be here and we must resolve to not repeat those horrible things going forward. It doesn’t erase colonialism or any of it- but you can’t put the genie back in the bottle so we have to own past sins and move past them as best we can while making whatever amends can be made and not doing it again.
How about if Woody Allen suddenly says "Don't marry your daughter."
Kevin Spacey says "Uhm don't grab guys junk."
Pamela Anderson says" Ahhh, yeah, Maybe I should have kept it in my pants."
And all the Khardashians retweet it. And offer everybody a Pepsi.
People not only can change but will change for the better in the right environment.
In January 1992, Farrow found nude photographs of Previn in Allen's home. Allen, then 57, told Farrow that he had taken the photos the day before, approximately two weeks after he and Previn had first engaged in sexual intercourse.[14] Farrow contends that she broke off her relationship with Allen in 1992 following her discovery of the affair;
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Now that it's long gone..
Should it be used to invalidate him??