I’m not going to get into teens vs adults. We’ve done this before. A particular teen may have seen more or done more than a particular adult. Times change but adults have more years alive- more life for POTENTIAL experience and growth and development. Age isn’t a default standard of intellect or responsibility or much really- but it does increase the potential for these things in any random unknown individual. But- to long term thinking- binary thinking is the quality of the naive. A thing is good or bad. A person is doing something out of a single motovation- etc. The world is complex. Yes- All humans are generally poor at lon term thinking. But to reduce the whole equation to such simplistic terms is an example of underdeveloped thought processes. You are the future. Change it. Live without. People destroy the world for comfort and security....
... convenience and abundance. People want nice cars and nice homes and gadgets and cool new things and clothes they like. They want to do wasteful hobbies and play games and eat complex meals. Almost everyone wants more than they need. What is easier than changing the whole world is changing yourself. So show you aren’t just going to repeat their mistakes. Give up the things you don’t need. Simplify your life. Use less and don’t participate in the system they built. No more Oreos and sodas, burgers and video games. No more iPhones and androids and cars and. Walk and grow your own or coop grow simple meals of beans and rice with supplements. Stop using toilet paper, don’t use the heater when it is cold or the AC when hot. Care for shoes and clothes and wear the same ones for decades patching them when they wear out put your money where your mouth is and be the example- because if you’re just going to do the same things but a little different, you can’t point fingers.
@guest_ U know, I don't remember if I suggested you doing tl;dr for your rants, but maybe I should.
@firmlee_grasspit any opinions? I'm obviously calling bs on this. Everyone knows that young people tend to heavily lean left, given that they have little to lose, and a lot of demands. And environmentalism is the favored guise of the progressive left for pushing through with the rest of their demented agenda, as demonstrated by the Green New Deal. So what they want to do, is to cheat the system by using gullible teenagers to vote them into power by using environmentalism as their facade. Absolutely cynical and disgraceful.
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I agree that young people tend to lean left. Now, whether or not that’s good or bad is not entirely black or white, just as with middle-aged to elderly people tend to be conservative, because they’ve built a lifetime of things to lose. Now, using untapped voting power in the young people could be an amazing feat, if utilized correctly. Gullibility is exploited frequently in politics, as it is a major tool of leaders to persuade certain masses to vote one way or another on any given issue. Where I see the line drawn is with teenagers being more gullible than your average voter. They haven’t the experience. This is where I agree with you in that the left knows perfectly well they can tip the scales using the young. I won’t say my opinion on that specifically, but I will say it brings more unbalance to an already unfavorable system. If more voters got off their arses, perhaps the left wouldn’t need to rely on the young and barely politically educated...
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What I’m seeing here is another exploit of the people. Now, I won’t say that all teenagers don’t know what they want or are uneducated in matters, but it is quite obvious they lack experience with the real world. I would say that your 26-45 aged voters are the ones that know what they want, and are the most educated. Before that, inexperience (as 26 is around the age personality solodifies) and after that, hormonal changes and loss of plasticity of the brain affect their lives greatly, especially in ethic and political view. Suffice to say, I think teenagers should be left out of the decision making. Hell, kids at my school have walked out (I’m early grad, so this was about a year ago) for things they clearly didn’t understand, just because it was pop-politics for the young.
No, teens shouldn't vote because they are demonstrable idiots who don't have a fucking clue how the world works because they have an infinitesimally small amount of experience in it.
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Albeit the core of your argument isn’t altogether incorrect, you seem to have added an unnecessary amount of spite towards teens. Some people in general have an infinitesimally small amount of wisdom/common sense to them. You’re implying this is exclusive to teens. It’s not correct to say all teens have no idea what’s going on in the world; that’s just ridiculous. You know the world doesn’t deal in absolutes. I’m a teen, and I feel fully capable of voting with the knowledge I have. I can walk circles around my peers politically, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have a voice...but yes, I agree, they shouldn’t yet be able to vote.
Teens shouldn’t be able to vote because they are teens. That’s my opinion. There are tons of adults who probably shouldn’t be able to either- but that’s a slippery slope of totalitarianism and control- so to keep things as balanced as possible we can’t split hairs too much, but there has to be a line and age of adulthood is that line currently. It’s not a great solution. You don’t go to sleep the night before your 18th birthday and morph into an adult in those few hours. You’re more or less who you were yesterday when you were still “a kid.” But voting is a boon and a responsibility. Young people are getting ready for adulthood and should be given increasing responsibility to prepare them the closer they get, but granting adult privelage without the responsibility isn’t fair to kids because when you take that responsibility it is balanced by the gained privilege- a “cost” for a reward of you will. Giving the reward and then the cost leaves a person ill prepared and cheated.
Let kids be kids as long as they can be and give them as much preparation as possible to be adults. They’ll have 40,60+ years as an adult but you only get 17 or less to be a minor. Important in my mind as well- you have to see the world before you start changing the world. Regrets come in all ages but by far the biggest regrets people often make are those before the age of 30- people take time to find who they are and know what they really want or what is really important to them. A higher education or the life experience gained early in adulthood tends to profoundly change people. Most people you know at 16 will be very different at 25, but most people you know at 30 won’t be that much different at 39 and less so usually as you get even older. So kids have good ideas and noble virtues. They can change the world without voting by acting- and when they are adults and can vote they will have even more power, but don’t rush kids who can never be kids again.
@vitklim- don’t know if you have. Many have though so it would be easy to forget. It is what it is, no disrespect intended, but it’s there to read or not. People just do what they are going to do.
Classic logical fallacy
@firmlee_grasspit any opinions? I'm obviously calling bs on this. Everyone knows that young people tend to heavily lean left, given that they have little to lose, and a lot of demands. And environmentalism is the favored guise of the progressive left for pushing through with the rest of their demented agenda, as demonstrated by the Green New Deal. So what they want to do, is to cheat the system by using gullible teenagers to vote them into power by using environmentalism as their facade. Absolutely cynical and disgraceful.