Children pole dancing isn’t sexual. There is nothing sexual about the dancing only the context within which you typically consume it. Anyone who thinks it sexual is projecting that context onto an unrelated situation.
Uh oh. You angered people by not applying hang ups and applying logic to an emotional al reaction of popular sentiment. Upvote from me anyway. Pole Dancing is no more sexual than cheer leading or having kids where school uniforms- it’s no more sexual than kids regular dancing and I thought(?) as a society we’d moved past that whole “dancing is the devils foothold to pregnancy!” Small town Footloose mentality?
Granted- teaching kids to STRIP or EROTIC dance could be seen as questionable. But if you want to say anything adult (primarily) males sexualize is sexual... man. You are going to have problems. Wrestling? Out. Gymnastics? Out. Yoga/contortionists? Out. Cosplay is just about right out (except MAYBE like... movie monster... maybe..) as are Yoga pants, boots, anything with a heel, athletic wear, the word “daddy,” sitting in laps, crawling, pig tails.... it’s a long list.
Culture doesn’t help either with the complexity. Ever wonder about that “Japanese panty fetish” that’s so talked about and exaggerated? It’s because western style underwear was uncommon in japan and didn’t really start to surge with the public until the post war period. Prostitutes wore western underwear because Allied Johns were more familiar and comfortable with it. Traditionally kimono didn’t require “panties” and coed bathing and contextual public nudity was traditionally tolerated in Japanese culture. The wearing of panties thusly was associated with sex workers- particularly those serving foreigners- and western under garments were expensive, meaning only those of higher standing or wealth could afford them.
okay lets assume that. there are many people who see pole dancing and immediately place the sexual context. I understand wanting to separate sex from every form of expression but it'll be very difficult with pole dancing because it's difficult to come up with a non sexual example. if pole dancing weren't commonly associated with strip clubs and "erotic dancing" then arguing that would be easier
As these things tend to go- there was a drive to western style underwear because of the “fad” of the “better off” wearing them- but also the demand drove the prices down and compared to the types of undergarments traditional to Japanese women (usually a wrapped cloth of sorts-) they were more practical- especially with more modern trousers.
So much the same as lingerie, panties were somewhat uncommon and had a strong association with sex. Even in cultures seen as sexually “liberal” or “tolerant”- the bare female body is more often viewed as a natural state and seen with innocence compared to a clothed female body wearing certain “sexy” types of garb. So it would be quite problematic indeed to bar everything seen as sexual.
So much the same as lingerie, panties were somewhat uncommon and had a strong association with sex. Even in cultures seen as sexually “liberal” or “tolerant”- the bare female body is more often viewed as a natural state and seen with innocence compared to a clothed female body wearing certain “sexy” types of garb. So it would be quite problematic indeed to bar everything seen as sexual.
I think cryoenrhusiast has a point. While dancing yoga cheerleading etc aren’t something that’s purely seen as sexual pole dancing for the MOST part is. While it’s now being used as a tool to help people lose weight since it’s roots are in a sexual manner one can’t help but wonder if it’s appropriate. For example we might find out that vibrating dildos make a really fun toy for kids cause it’s in a funny shape and shakes. Even then people have a right to be alarmed to see a bunch of kids with sex toys, not cause they are using them in a sexual way but it just seems inappropriate because it’s something predominantly adult that kids are getting exposed to. And I think it makes these kids vulnerable to pedos who would very likely get off on seeing kids doing something that’s always been viewed as sexual even if they aren’t being a certain way or doing anything wrong. I get that they could potentially get off on seeing a kid eat a sandwich but I think it’s important that we do all we can..
To protect them from being targeted. It’s like the whole debate on “thieves shouldn’t be breaking into my house to begin with but I’ll still put a lock on the door because I know not all people are good”. I don’t know, that’s just my take on it. I think it’ll be less weird for them to do gymnastics that work out the same muscles but is done on a much wider scale so it would in my opinion be more appropriate for kids.
I am not trying to take your opinion from you- I just don’t see it- and here’s a clear reason why:
May poles. Kids have danced may poles or some variant world wide for at least centuries. That is literally pole dancing. If the dancing kids are doing isn’t itself sexual- then the presence of a pole doesn’t make it sexual. Playgrounds commonly had poles as part of the play equipment when I was a child. You’d slide down it, climb up it, hang from it and twirl on it. As kids we didn’t see anything sexual there and it didn’t seem adults did because they put the pole there.
We sexualize kids. In society we generally make exceptions for kids doing things that we would see less innocently in adults. As a kid a close family friend or relative might have photos of you running around topless or naked. How many photo albums are full of babies and young kids in the bath for “memories”? Ok. Now how many parents of teens snap pictures of them in the bath or shower? We can definitively see that what we sexualize with adults we often make exceptions with children because kids who aren’t of a certain maturity don’t see things that way and we aren’t supposed to see them that way. If you give a kid a pole- they will swing on it and play with it.
May poles. Kids have danced may poles or some variant world wide for at least centuries. That is literally pole dancing. If the dancing kids are doing isn’t itself sexual- then the presence of a pole doesn’t make it sexual. Playgrounds commonly had poles as part of the play equipment when I was a child. You’d slide down it, climb up it, hang from it and twirl on it. As kids we didn’t see anything sexual there and it didn’t seem adults did because they put the pole there.