If by 'a bit' you mean until they pay the £ 39 billion divorce bill and by 'stabilization' you mean an increase in taxes (12% to 25% in the lowest tax bracket) then I completely agree with you.
@famousone After all your comments on Europeans talking about the US: it is all ok if you believe every word conservatives say in the US. The harm you do with it is an entire ocean away. But you very obviously have no idea about how the EU works and you are repeating the lies that working class Brits fell for.
UK always had its sovereignty and took more money and advantages out of Europe, than they invested. Brexit is about as smart as Wisconsin leaving the US for sovereignty and liberty.
If all you have is opinion, but no supporting knowledge,it is ok to keep it for yourself.
Opposed to subordination to an outside power? Yeah.
Britain is not sovereign if subject to non-Brit authority. The EU has it's own laws and regulations. Non-Brits were keeping taxation from being competitive. Non-Brits were steering their economy. Non-Brits did away with British money. Non-Brits are advocating to place the British military under European command. Non-Brits were importing terrorists and pedophiles to Britain.
Britain is not Wisconsin.
The EU is not the US.
But of course a German is upset, they are now the only pillar left in the union, and it's getting to be a heavy burden indeed.
Right right right.... Thats one way to see things.
Meanwhile the UK is currently still paying into the EU but no longer have a say in decision.... You know, quite literally taxation without representation.
They have to negotiate a trade deal with the EU, in which they really aren't in a position of power. That is if Boris actually gives a fuck, because he has multiple times alluded to no-deal.
And they will still have to deal with EU regulations, because otherwise they don't get to trade with the EU.
But I guess they get to say no to immigration so it's all worth it ? Of course THEY ALREADY COULD, but CHOSE not to.
Maybe you think being part of a group (and therefore abiding by the group's rules, but having a say in them), makes you less sovereign than being a small fish in a big pond at the mercy of the bigger fishes. Good luck to the UK, they'll need it, and the fools in power aren't the one who are gonna get hurt, they never are.
Europe ain't the only game in town.
From where I'm looking, these problems stem from the old establishment dragging their feet. Refusing to abide by the vote they subjected themselves to.
And really, you underestimate the power to walk away. Britain was great before the EU, they can be great again. On their terms, under their own power.
It's not the only game in town, but it sure as hell is the closest and most convenient / logical.
I'm sure the problem is EVERYONE ELSE dragging their feet and not that the promises made regarding Brexit were impossible to hold in the first place.
And that's why there were a dozen votes held? They were treating referendum like a magic 8 Ball, just shake it until you get the answer you want.
No, the big wigs just weren't willing to trade temporary comfort for autonomy.
I have to agree with one of famousones points. The UK/GB wasn’t exactly a starving fiefdom before the EU- so total doom and gloom may not be called for. That said.... they DO have to pay a tremendous cost that will likely impact the nation and its people for decades. That’s a cost they weren’t floating before the EU- so they start behind the 8 ball.
But- as a Union... well- I get Hamburg was being hyperbolic- but perhaps it’s more like if Texas or Florida or New York left the USA. They aren’t the wealthiest states in America- but they could function independently- but they’d theoretically have a huge disadvantage. I mean- assuming a union where members gain equal or relatively equal benefits- many apes are strong.
So over decades Brexit could hurt development of the UK- depending on how sweet the EU wants to make membership. The UK can still trade with China, South America, Asia, Russia, the USA. Can they get better deals than the EU? We shall see I suppose.
Volume plays a role right? I mean- the retailer buying 100,000 lamps gets those lamps cheaper than you can- so it also depends on wether the EU makes a more attractive trade partner than GB. Who does more volume? Who’s exports are more in demand?
The UK’s biggest exports are fuel, drinks and smokes, livestock, materials.... The largest market for UK exports in money is the US- but the most major export industries in the UK go to Europe and elsewhere. We don’t really buy too many edible or light consumer goods from the UK. As an island- the UK relies on imports. They can increase reliance on the US or foreign non EU countries... at a cost to the UK consumer and business in time and money even if the trade deal is sweet.
So they aren’t as totally screwed as one might think even if they cut all trade to the EU... but domestic and small business could certainly see a shock. As an American- I feel for the potential suffering of the Brits- but we are more than happy to put their island in our pocket and take their cash. Or someone else will be. Who knows? Corona virus has rattled world trade and could change the course of trade relations- or the next virus or war. It’s anyone’s game.
But for the average UK citizen... they pretty much- most likely odds- traded having to deal with immigration and related social issues for what is most likely going to be an economic pinch. Or not. Stay tuned. It likely won’t be the death of the isles- but they might find themselves more beholden to a foreign power than they would have been under the EU- since now it’s just more good will than anything that will decide wether they get passed around like the new kid on the cell block when they have to negotiate their own deals with foreign powers.
Has everyone forgot that after WWII the uk was so poor the US had to bail them out? So they were boholden to another state then too, hence the "special relationship" was born. That enabled the uk to grow. The UK had a major influence in the EU but folk just focused on the immigration issue and the letters on the side of a big red bus
Look man- I just saidBrexit wasn’t the end of the world, but it also isn’t going to be all sunshine and roses. I think that a percentage of UK that voted to leave probably did so for xenophobic reasons. Probably didn’t think about the crunch it would cause. But it’s here. There WILL be challenges, there WILL be people who lose things and businesses disrupted. No nation on earth is completely independent- even North Korea- but all nations desire a certain sovereignty. I don’t think the UK made the right choice- but we will have to see what happens.
UK always had its sovereignty and took more money and advantages out of Europe, than they invested. Brexit is about as smart as Wisconsin leaving the US for sovereignty and liberty.
If all you have is opinion, but no supporting knowledge,it is ok to keep it for yourself.
Britain is not sovereign if subject to non-Brit authority. The EU has it's own laws and regulations. Non-Brits were keeping taxation from being competitive. Non-Brits were steering their economy. Non-Brits did away with British money. Non-Brits are advocating to place the British military under European command. Non-Brits were importing terrorists and pedophiles to Britain.
Britain is not Wisconsin.
The EU is not the US.
But of course a German is upset, they are now the only pillar left in the union, and it's getting to be a heavy burden indeed.
Meanwhile the UK is currently still paying into the EU but no longer have a say in decision.... You know, quite literally taxation without representation.
They have to negotiate a trade deal with the EU, in which they really aren't in a position of power. That is if Boris actually gives a fuck, because he has multiple times alluded to no-deal.
And they will still have to deal with EU regulations, because otherwise they don't get to trade with the EU.
But I guess they get to say no to immigration so it's all worth it ? Of course THEY ALREADY COULD, but CHOSE not to.
Maybe you think being part of a group (and therefore abiding by the group's rules, but having a say in them), makes you less sovereign than being a small fish in a big pond at the mercy of the bigger fishes. Good luck to the UK, they'll need it, and the fools in power aren't the one who are gonna get hurt, they never are.
From where I'm looking, these problems stem from the old establishment dragging their feet. Refusing to abide by the vote they subjected themselves to.
And really, you underestimate the power to walk away. Britain was great before the EU, they can be great again. On their terms, under their own power.
I'm sure the problem is EVERYONE ELSE dragging their feet and not that the promises made regarding Brexit were impossible to hold in the first place.
No, the big wigs just weren't willing to trade temporary comfort for autonomy.