To be honest who cares. It's really easy just to wear a dress that covers shoulders. People on the internet whine more about it than anyone in real life ever has. We don't mind covering our shoulders.
@ewqua agreed Specially in college when no one cares. Some people go in pajamas. However, being still decent. If girls are showing too much cleavage (like deep v) or half a cheek, save that for the club, and guys i don't need to see your niples, nor too tight pants, it's weird anyways. Imo
On a personal level, I agree 100%. I prefer to wear modest clothing and don't feel comfortable "showing off", and I think especially among teen girls there can be pressure to show off which should be managed (not by forbidding them to wear clothes that reveal shoulders, but by better educating kids about self worth and such). That said, if someone does feel the most comfortable in fewer layers, maybe because they go to the gym a lot and want to show off their muscles, who are we to tell them to stop?
But I still might judge them, lol. That's human nature, we all judge each other. Yeah if I see a girl wearing a deep V and shorts that look more like thongs I'm gonna think she's probably compensating for something in her life. And if I learn someone is buying fast fashion made by Chinese kids in terrible conditions instead of ethical fashion or second hand, oh boy will I judge them hard. Where your clothes come from is more important to me than how they look. (1/2)
What I'm trying to get at is, I wouldn't impose rules on clothing. I think it should stay in the "social consequences" category and not spill over to legal consequences. Those teens that show off because of peer pressure will figure it out on their own sooner or later, the more we restrict them without explaining it to them, the more time it will take for them to figure it out because they'll be following dumb rules without realizing why. (2/2)
School is a place for learning. How you dress is completely irrelevant to your education. Unless the school you go/went to teaches how to obey authority without ever questioning it. In which case I'm sorry for you, schools should teach critical thinking, not sheepishness. Sure, certain rules are necessary to establish order. But whether or not people can see your shoulders and knees has nothing to do with your or their education.
It's not such a big deal, but does that mean people can't discuss it at all? That's the same line of thinking as "You can't be sad, someone else has it worse" or "Shut up about sexism in the West, women in Iran have it worse."
I don't see how wanting to look good at school intercepts your education in any way. There's literally no connection there. I hope you're aware that one can, in fact, look good and be educated at the same time?
Most of the work is done outside of school anyway, or at least the work that then reflects your results, ie. homework and studying for tests. Whether you spend that free time studying, shopping for clothes or playing video games or sports is totally irrelevant, your teachers can't do anything about that as long as your results are good.
In fact, girls have for a long time been achieving better results than boys at school, so clearly an interest in fashion (that all girls share apparently, yay stereotypes) has no effect.
If we restrict girls from wearing stuff they like to improve their results at school, should we also ban P.E. since it's a stereotypical boys' thing which may distract them?
Again, I see no connection here, but I'd like to hear what your logic behind it is.
I'm not talking about looking good. I'm talking about wearing revealing clothing. There's literally nothing to complain about. Just follow the school rules while you're in school. It's so easy.
You're even offended by girls liking fashion which just seems really sexist and like you have a problem with girls having interests. There's nothing wrong with girls liking fashion. Boys preform worse in schools because school systems are not designed for young boys. It's harder for them to "sit and shut up."
Besides, unless the school in question has uniforms (which have some pros and cons of their own which I won't get into now), wouldn't imposing these rules just make people spend more time choosing what to wear, because besides wanting to look good you also have to think about whether you'll get in trouble for wearing something because a tiny piece of your shoulder is visible? It seems absolutely counterproductive to any efforts to make kids more focused on education.
Ok so one can't wear revealing clothing and be educated at the same time? That doesn't change my argument, please explain your logic because it seems there is none as of now.
You're the one who just stereotyped all girls as liking fashion and you're calling me sexist? Lol.
I also love the irony that girls who are forced to follow rules set up ONLY FOR THEM should shut up and bear it but boys who are made to follow the rules set for everyone should be pitied because it's "not designed for them". There are so many logical inconsistencies in your comments I could write a dissertation about them.
Also, not offended or complaining, just questioning why those rules are in place and whether they fulfill their desired effect at all, because it seems to me they don't. "Stop talking about it and follow the rules" is not a very good argument in their favor, mind you.
I can't even believe someone would complain this much about simply not wearing revealing clothing. You must have serious issues.
Oh and I never said all girls like fashion. You're a liar. This conversation has pushed me into liking school dress code because the people who are against it are so insufferable.
"Girls are very interested in looks and fashion" is not a stereotyping statement? Quoting someone precisely makes one a liar. Didn't know that, huh.
Anyway you keep repeating the same things even though I just wrote I'm not complaining and even in a previous comment wrote I don't like wearing revealing clothing myself, and now you're making personal attacks and false accusations. When all I did was ask what education has to do with clothing, what's the causal relationship here. You were unable to answer and now you're saying you're defending your position just because you don't like some people who oppose it on a personal level. There's no intellectual integrity in your statements, but at least you're honest about it.
In conclusion, you have nothing substantive to say. I don't know who that girl is that you hate so much, but I'm guessing she's popular and wears skimpy clothing, otherwise you wouldn't be so hostile about it. But she could probably carry a better discussion than you.
I used an uniforme my whole life until I got to college. I think is the easiest way to make sure kids would have an appropriate outfit, plus you don't have to think about what to wear, then Inused scrubs for a while. Obviously in college it would be Ridiculous to have an uniform, but my point is it is not that big of a deal. It's part of teaching discipline and less distractions for everyone you go there to learn and wear whatever you want at home and out. (I know the discussion above has many points but thought of this)
Yeah as I said I think uniforms have their own pros and cons, especially when it comes to lower income families, because on the one hand no kid looks wealthy or poor which can reduce social ostracization among kids, on the other hand uniforms aren't cheap which can be a financial burden if you have to buy your kid a new one every year because they're still growing (unless they're subsidized by the school or state I guess). But in a sense, I understand uniforms more than dress codes with a bunch of weird rules about shoulders and elbows and whatnot, because at least uniforms are standardized, they exist as a sort of traditional garb (as well as to differentiate between different schools iirc?), and you don't have to spend time thinking what to wear. But telling kids "we're gonna send you home if we see your bare knees" is weird, it wastes the kids' time and just has no reason to exist.
But I still might judge them, lol. That's human nature, we all judge each other. Yeah if I see a girl wearing a deep V and shorts that look more like thongs I'm gonna think she's probably compensating for something in her life. And if I learn someone is buying fast fashion made by Chinese kids in terrible conditions instead of ethical fashion or second hand, oh boy will I judge them hard. Where your clothes come from is more important to me than how they look. (1/2)
It's not such a big deal, but does that mean people can't discuss it at all? That's the same line of thinking as "You can't be sad, someone else has it worse" or "Shut up about sexism in the West, women in Iran have it worse."
Most of the work is done outside of school anyway, or at least the work that then reflects your results, ie. homework and studying for tests. Whether you spend that free time studying, shopping for clothes or playing video games or sports is totally irrelevant, your teachers can't do anything about that as long as your results are good.
In fact, girls have for a long time been achieving better results than boys at school, so clearly an interest in fashion (that all girls share apparently, yay stereotypes) has no effect.
If we restrict girls from wearing stuff they like to improve their results at school, should we also ban P.E. since it's a stereotypical boys' thing which may distract them?
Again, I see no connection here, but I'd like to hear what your logic behind it is.
You're even offended by girls liking fashion which just seems really sexist and like you have a problem with girls having interests. There's nothing wrong with girls liking fashion. Boys preform worse in schools because school systems are not designed for young boys. It's harder for them to "sit and shut up."
You're the one who just stereotyped all girls as liking fashion and you're calling me sexist? Lol.
I also love the irony that girls who are forced to follow rules set up ONLY FOR THEM should shut up and bear it but boys who are made to follow the rules set for everyone should be pitied because it's "not designed for them". There are so many logical inconsistencies in your comments I could write a dissertation about them.
Also, not offended or complaining, just questioning why those rules are in place and whether they fulfill their desired effect at all, because it seems to me they don't. "Stop talking about it and follow the rules" is not a very good argument in their favor, mind you.
Oh and I never said all girls like fashion. You're a liar. This conversation has pushed me into liking school dress code because the people who are against it are so insufferable.
Anyway you keep repeating the same things even though I just wrote I'm not complaining and even in a previous comment wrote I don't like wearing revealing clothing myself, and now you're making personal attacks and false accusations. When all I did was ask what education has to do with clothing, what's the causal relationship here. You were unable to answer and now you're saying you're defending your position just because you don't like some people who oppose it on a personal level. There's no intellectual integrity in your statements, but at least you're honest about it.
In conclusion, you have nothing substantive to say. I don't know who that girl is that you hate so much, but I'm guessing she's popular and wears skimpy clothing, otherwise you wouldn't be so hostile about it. But she could probably carry a better discussion than you.