You can't be making unreasonable demands like that. The cops will think you're crazy and try to put you down.
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Seriously though, stuff like this... it just leaves me speechless...
one thing im confused about, the death was ruled a murder, the cops involved have been arrested and charged for the murder, why are people still protesting? that didnt take any longer to happen than an non-cop murder case would have, hell it probably went a whole hellsa lot faster thanks to the fact that the dude who did it was a cop and there were hella witnesses and a camera.
charges came down last month. This seems to me like it was handled exactly like it should have been handled. why are they still protesting.
All cops are bastards! Kill all whites! Viva la revolution! Kill fascism! Founding racists! NRA are murder accomplices! FTP!
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Those are the what the graffiti and chants say, at least.
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They graffitied the Armenian genocide memorial in Denver with "fuck 12", "cops are the evil", and "sample text". I don't understand that last one.
@bethorien It’s a single instance of a systemic problem that has existed for years. The protests aren’t just about George Floyd but for every person that ended up like him. Think of it this way: the civil rights movement wasn’t about seating on public transportation, Rosa Parks merely represented the much larger, long term problem.
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Because there are a handful of shit protesters doesn’t mean the entire movement is compromised. That’s like saying all cops are bad because a handful of them kill people unwarranted. (Which I support the actual protestors, but I also support the cops who don’t abuse their power). Keep in mind though that graffiti can be washed off, lives can’t be brought back. I’m not saying they’re not in the wrong for tagging important monuments and buildings, but cops abusing their power to kill people and get away with it, and jackasses spray painting stuff aren’t comparable.
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People are still protesting because the three cops that got arrested aren’t going to sto the overall problem. Unfortunately, the criminal justice system punished the good cops and lifts up the bad because they’re “brothers in blue”. No one wants to arrest their friend, but they’ll push down whoever tries to stand up to their injustices. It’s a systematic issue that needs to be dealt with, and three bad cops aren’t going to fix that. It’s a band aid over a missing limb
Killing bystanders, destroying communities, and using violence against officers with no history of misconduct is not helping their case. Nevermind the movement's tendency to rally around those who actually had it coming, like Brown.
The violence is overshadowing the peaceful, and that is hurting the cause. We're being forced to support the thin blue line against anarchy, or brownshirts calling themselves activists while they burn communities.
Rosa Parks and Dr. King stood for peaceful civil disobedience, Malcolm X advocated for self-defense, and community assertiveness. BLM and Antifa are killing their own and hurting every community they show up at.
And getting results. MN is overhauling it’s rules of police engagement and they brought the discussion to the global stage where we all have to look at it and make decisions. Peaceful protests against brutality have been going on for years but police in the US still kill 3 people a day. Even if they are 99% justified that’s still 11 people murdered every year. Riots are messy and people get hurt, looting is just dumb but the actions of the last week will end up saving innocent lives in the long run.
They are implementing rules and standards written by people who have never been officers at the behest of people who have never been inclined to good order and discipline. It's a disaster in the works, just like every knee jerk reaction or change that has been implemented in anything, especially when it validates looters and murderers.
You're measuring the police by how many people they kill but not the rioters by how many lives they destroy? This is just another LA, Detroit, Ferguson, New York, Portland, or any other riot. Nothing good will come of this violence or of appeasing it.
What’s the alternative to knee jerk? Thoughtful crafting of policy that will result in a declining trend of police lethality? Sounds good. The protesters thought so too. In fact they thought it was such a good idea that when no one actually did it they started a riot.
It's better that we try and solve the problem than sit idly by and let it continue because it's a "knee jerk reaction". And yeah, maybe most people involved haven't ever been cops, but it doesn't take a professional stonemason to know that you put the brick in the wall, not break it in half and toss it away.
They didn't start a riot. Outside agitators hijacked the protests and turned the whole situation to shit.
And if you ever have practiced stonemasonry you'd know that sometimes you do have to break a brick in half and dispose of it. So thanks for proving my point.
Ah yes. The faceless enemy. Since it was BLM protest I assume you believe the agitators were from Antifa? The terrorist organization with no members, ideology, or objectives?
You keep saying that, but do you know how terror cells work? They don't have chains of command, uniforms, rosters, or grand strategies.
But they do have an ideology and objectives. Divide the American people, use violence and propaganda against anyone who doesn't subscribe to the left side of identity politics, and beat down anyone at the ground level who dares to contradict them. Then run on home to their campus or their mother's basement and wait for the next rallying call to agitate someone else's protest.
In Portland while on leave I encountered some of them near a Boba place I like. They screamed at me, threatened me, smashed one of my headlights, and defaced my MAGA stickers along with my trunk and rear bumper.
Fuck 'em.
Yup. That sounds about right. Antifa isn’t a group. It’s sort of an ethos but not that strong. Some day a person who thinks of themselves as counter to The Man is at some rally and they run into a group of people who think that more direct action is needed. What and why is kinda irrelevant. They identify themselves as Antifa people. So the person goes home and orders an Antifa shirt. At the next rally they seek out others wearing the shirt. They make some friends and they hang out and talk about how they need to stick it to The Man. As with all things they eventually grow out of it and move along. That’s all they are. Calling them a terrorist organization is like declaring “hippies” is a terrorist organization.
@scatmandingo if you really think antifa is a bunch of nobody's with no organization, then I suggest you listen to the recordings of antifa meetings that were just released. Listen to them and then sit there and tell us antifa is not a problem. FYI the recordings were released by project veritas.
just gonna say, if we assume 11 people a year are unjustifiably killed by police in the US as per your number, thats literally not a fucking problem. There are over 10 thousand police forces in america each with varying amounts of police officers. At that point thats literally 0.11% of police forces in america that kill someone unjustifiably in a given year assuming exactly 10 tousand police forces, of which there are defo more, and assuming each death is a different police force.
at that point you are ruining the livelyhoods of hundreds of people, getting multiple people killed, getting even more injured, to demand that we weed out people causing less harm to the american people than the protests demanding it.
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Seriously though, stuff like this... it just leaves me speechless...
charges came down last month. This seems to me like it was handled exactly like it should have been handled. why are they still protesting.
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Those are the what the graffiti and chants say, at least.
The violence is overshadowing the peaceful, and that is hurting the cause. We're being forced to support the thin blue line against anarchy, or brownshirts calling themselves activists while they burn communities.
Rosa Parks and Dr. King stood for peaceful civil disobedience, Malcolm X advocated for self-defense, and community assertiveness. BLM and Antifa are killing their own and hurting every community they show up at.
You're measuring the police by how many people they kill but not the rioters by how many lives they destroy? This is just another LA, Detroit, Ferguson, New York, Portland, or any other riot. Nothing good will come of this violence or of appeasing it.
And if you ever have practiced stonemasonry you'd know that sometimes you do have to break a brick in half and dispose of it. So thanks for proving my point.
But they do have an ideology and objectives. Divide the American people, use violence and propaganda against anyone who doesn't subscribe to the left side of identity politics, and beat down anyone at the ground level who dares to contradict them. Then run on home to their campus or their mother's basement and wait for the next rallying call to agitate someone else's protest.
Fuck 'em.
at that point you are ruining the livelyhoods of hundreds of people, getting multiple people killed, getting even more injured, to demand that we weed out people causing less harm to the american people than the protests demanding it.