Ok, since you saw through "us" (since clearly your political opponents don't have any individuality or agency and are only part of an easy to strawman monolith), I might as well spill all our leftist secrets. We plan to establish 5G to spread Covid, we spike chemtrails with mindcontrol chemicals, we have people guarding the edge of the Earth, and we killed Q. All for our evil, despicable goals of affordable healthcare and a clean planet.
Oooh so now we're moving the goal post, I see! "The left is trying to cancel Thanksgiving, as a concept" (which is what I was referring to, what Charlie Kirk was saying, trying to make it about "the culture war" or religion or whatever) went to "The left is trying to control the spread of the pandemic which may include limiting large gatherings during the holidays" ... if you can't be right on the substance, could you at least not be dishonest? Both of your comments were just about getting gotcha points and generalising "the left", could we have an actual discussion for once? This isn't a college campus and you're not Ben Shapiro (I hope), please don't use his slimy gotcha tactics, it comes off as intellectually dishonest. (1/2)
Also, no, not where I'm from, gatherings to a certain size are permitted over here, and the govt is at this point quite certain we'll be able to lower the numbers enough to relax the restrictions for Christmas. Now, they did mess it up by loosening up almost entirely during the summer so the cases shot up, but it looks like they've learned from this mistake.
The world isn't just the US, you know. Actually, the world makes fun of the US, in large part because of people like you. Over here, the question whether to act on the pandemic or not isn't a split along party lines, it's about common sense. (2/2)
I'm just trying to be honest here because I'm tired of famousone always commenting like he's Ben Shapiro and trying to score gotcha points instead of having an honest discussion.
Also I didn't even know there was a Discord lol.
"Drug mules"? Wow, the mask slipped off there. Brown people are still people, you know.
Nobody's trying to "cancel the holidays", that's absolute nonsense, most Americans are still Christian and Democrats (most of whom are actually center right to center, very few Democrats are left wing) wouldn't dare go against traditional Christian holidays. What's actually happening is that people with common sense are trying to contain the spread of the disease.
Seriously, this crap is so untrue, and again I'm really disappointed how dishonest you've gotten lately. I'd understand an economically minded argument, because the lockdown has been hitting small businesses a lot, but saying "oh no I can't go out and infect grandma for a few weeks, must be a 'demonrat' conspiracy" is just absolute moon logic.
Hahahaha, yeah, sometimes my grandma can get pretty opinionated too. But she's family, we still love her and visit her except for now, bc y'know we don't want her to die.
Yes, the drug mules that try to hide behind trafficked children to get over the border, this is documented fact.
I'm brown, fuckwit.
The left are attacking the holiday season and the family get together that entails.
Democrats are left. By definition.
Grandpa and Grandma are already dying, they would just like to see the family before over a decade of gout, heart trouble, and generally being old finally catches up to them. Anybody who is scared can choose to locke themselves up until they get vaccinated, the rest of us would like to live our lives.
Yes, *some* people going over the border are criminals. Which justifies inhumane treatment of all of them? Okay.
No, they're not. Show me some sources other than "trust me bro". Quotes of Democrat politicians, for example, saying they want to destroy the holidays or whatever.
By definition? Which definition? I have a feeling you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, because according to the political compass they're center right neoliberals, apart from some exceptions.
The demonrats thing was a joke because the rest of your comments are similarly conspiratorial as what people who call democrats 'demonrats' say. But sure, call me whatever you want for that joke. Freedom of speech, right? I have the freedom of speech to call you a sensitive snowflake as well.
Anyone trying to sneak into the US must be detained. Children cannot be detained with adults. It ain't our fault that they keep flooding the system so that it is perpetually overwhelmed, nor is our problem.
The orders and mandates are meant to keep people from coming together, specifically during the holidays. What do quotes matter? It may not be the goal, but it would be the effect of compliance to the orders. No more to 5 in a household, fuck that.
By definition in that democrats support left-wing policies and have left-wing goals.
The orders are in place to prevent the spread of covid and save lives. You made a claim that it's for a malicious reason of destroying the holidays and keeping families apart. I'm asking for evidence of that, so far you've only provided evidence that "orders exist", which proves absolutely nothing and the rest of your statement is a baseless assumption.
Democrats pursue left wing policies and goals? Hold on, let me throw my head back and laugh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, no, again, I advise you to look up the political compass, because honey, you seriously have no idea what you're talking about. There is an actual, more or less objective scale, which is more reliable than "daddy Trump told me Biden is a socialist". (The daddy Trump bit is also a joke meant to illustrate an unreliable source of information. Please do not get offended.)
I never claimed that it was deliberate, merely that it is the effect. Party limits, travel restrictions, fines, reporting violations from neighbors, asking for "online" get togethers, none of this can be mistaken.
Democrats pursue left wing policies and goals. What else is socialized medicine, education, government control of industry, placing the collective over the individual, or anything else in their platform? Even by global standards, but global standards don't mean jack shit in domestic politics, so you're wrong twice on that front.
And again, stop trying to put words in my mouth.
"They are clearly trying to cancel the 2020 holiday season."
"The left are attacking the holiday season."
"democrats trying to cancel the holidays."
You can't lie your way out of this one, bucko. Multiple times in this thread you've said or implied they're putting restrictions in place because they want to maliciously cancel holidays. Again, you keep moving the goalpost. Putting restrictions in place because the numbers are higher than Snoop Dogg, which happens to be in time for the holidays (which, when would it not? It's a fucking pandemic, it's not gonna go away in a week, of course some holidays are gonna fall in the middle of it), is a whole different thing than "cancelling holidays". Democrats aren't the fucking Grinch.
"socialized medicine, education, government control of industry, placing the collective over the individual"
Maybe like 1% of Democrats want that, and they get fucked over every time by the Democratic establishment which comprises entirely of neoliberal corporate shills.
Also, international standards are overriden by domestic standards now? That's fucking hilarious, I guess international law is invalid now too. The Chinese, Saudis and Israeli should take note of that whenever someone criticizes them for child labor, slavery and illegal settlements. Just pull a uno reverse card and say "well my domestic law says this" to the International Criminal Court. Mad lads. The thought actually made me chuckle.
But that is besides the point.
I never said they were malicious, much less maliciously trying to cancel the holidays. Only that their restrictions would have that effect if abided by.
That is the democrat platform, who's moving goalposts now?
Yeah, international law is irrelevant to anyone who doesn't abide by them. Until somebody else forces it. If the international laws weren't written by theocratic dictators, genocidal warlords, antisemitic extremists, and the worst human rights violators in the world, maybe I would give a damn personally, but that still doesn't matter in the scope of US politics.
Yeah no, you explicitly said multiple times that they are trying to cancel the holidays. Denying it won't work when the comments are right here for everyone to see. The fact that you perceive it as malicious is pretty clear from the context, but okay, technically you never used the word 'malicious'. So now we've once again moved from "I didn't say it was deliberate" (you did) to "I didn't say it was malicious". Funny that, you've shifted the framing once again. I don't know how many times I have to call you out on this for you to learn, but I'm pretty close to giving up because you probably never will.
Hmm, I got the 2020 Democratic platform in front of me right now and low and behold, you were lying about every single thing! Damn, how unexpected, I only called you out for pulling stuff out of your ass like five times in this thread, I'm shocked you're being dishonest again.
Saying that "international laws were written by bad people therefore we won't abide by them" is the same moon logic used by the liberals when they say "the founding fathers owned slaves therefore the Constitution is invalid." No, the principles and by extension the specific laws have since been recognized by the international community and they are periodically reviewed to reflect contemporary values. Who wrote them is at this point in time irrelevant to their validity.
I don't know who you're arguing against as far as the holidays, because it ain't me.
And international law has no bearing on the US? Don't like it? Try and enforce against us. They are written by and enforced by the people we hate. End of discussion. Or is Iran and North Korea cool now?
Lol ok, I guess your cat ran over your keyboard while you were writing all the stuff I directly responded to. I thought you right wingers were all about personal responsibility in rhetoric, but now you won't even take responsibility for the things you wrote several hours ago. Truly hilarious.
Yeah, you don't have to reiterate that the US doesn't like playing by the rules and gets away with it because y'all have a bloated army, your govt makes it pretty clear all the time. Acting like the high school bully.
I'll own what I said, just not your misinterpretation of it.
And we aren't the bully. We're the guy you call when the bully starts acting up. We're the athlete who carries the team, we're the nerd you cheat off of, we're the rich kid you always ask for a twenty. And when we decide we aren't going to fight your battles, play the game, give you our test, or fuck the racist POS who only ever talks about burning down the Jewish kid's house, you suddenly decide we're the delinquent. But God knows, you'll keep your hand out and ask for more.
Lol. If I was a brainwashed nationalist, that patriotic monologue would've brought a tear to my eye. But actually it gave me the best laugh I've had in a while. Prime example of American exceptionalism. We can disrespect international rules because we're the good guy. Isn't that what every megalomaniac warmonger said at some point? Yeah. I'm sure killing kids in Syria in the name of counter terrorism while also jacking the country's oil and making backroom deals with terrorists in Saudi has a very noble purpose. And refusing to comply with environmental standards. And throwing a hissyfit over Iran even though it was complying with the Iran deal at the time of withdrawal.
You think you're Superman but really you're Homelander.
International rules mean nothing when drafted by Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Putin, or any of the terrorists and warlords given representation. Nevermind that, by it's own structure, the US recognizes no law above the constitution. Not even God.
Trump is trying to bring us home from the Middle East. We don't need their oil, you do. Same with dealing with the Saudis. We don't need them, Europe does. Our environmental impact has substantially improved, unlike Europe.
And Iran was abiding by Obama's deal. Which was illegal without congress, and only served to pave the way for them to do what they want (nuke Israel and destroy the West, per their own statements).
Trump's withdrawal of 500 troops is a farce, he's done this a few times already, he makes a big claim that he's pulling out, he withdraws a few troops or moves them somewhere else, then sneaks them back in. It's as fake as his tan.
According to the Climate Action Tracker, US policies in regards to climate change policies and emission pledges are "critically insufficient", the worst value on their scale. This is also reflected in reality. The US produces around 25% of all global emissions, being second only to China, and has the highest emissions per capita rate by quite a lot (source: Centre for Climate and Energy Solutions). So your statement about "substantially improving" is false. Again, pulled right out of your arse.
And destroy the West? Iranian officials said they'd "destroy aggressors". Which was a reaction to the US sending troops there. Which for a sovereign nation is understandable. The US would probably not react peacefully and calmly either if Iran just decided to send troops there and steal some oil from Alaska on the way.
You want to fuck off? Then do, gladly. Do look after yourselves, y'know unless it's at the expense of someone else. Don't want to play by the rules, then don't play.
We've been pulling people out. Everytime we try to do more the left opposes it because Trump is an evil fascist, and some war monger on the right oppose it because they are war mongers.
The US isn't great on climate, but we're improving at cost to ourselves, and though it doesn't matter, we're still making better strides than anybody else.
And Iran takes the mere existence of Jews and the West as an act of aggression. I wish they would invade Alaska, better to shoot them in the fucking throat than get drawn into another 50 year quagmire for Europe's benefit.
Everytime we try to fuck off we are attacked for it, and our politicians are fucking cowards who think things like "international law", "global approval", or any of Obama's numerous illegal deals are things that actually matter
Is that all you have to say for yourself, that I'm saying nothing? You finally realized that I see through your bullshit and I won't just accept it as facts when it's clearly falsehoods that I can debunk with a few minutes of research, huh.
Yeah, war hawk Democrats are wrong and in the pockets of the war machine. Nobody's denying that, fuck those guys honestly. But those war hawks aren't left leaning, only in the american fucked up "spectrum" where anything to the left of center right is "literally socialists omg". Actual lefties are for pulling out and even gave Trump credit for doing that, unfortunately only to later realize it's just kabuki theater.
Europe's benefit? Nobody except for war profiteers benefits from instability in the region.
American democrats are left wing. Get over it.
And yeah, Europe's benefit. It ain't us that needs the oil, the regional connections, or any of the mess. We just wanted to kill Saddam and Bin Laden. Mission accomplished, bring them home Mr. President.
But Biden won't. Anyone who paid any attention to Obama knows he was worse than Bush about military actions.
@cakelover Sorry mate. I got fired up because I used to see famousone as a guy I disagreed with but respected his point of view, but now he's just feeding me these demonstrably false things and I'm realizing I never bothered to fact check when I saw his comments previously and I'm like, wait a minute, was he just bullshitting all this time? I'll stop now, leaving with a sense of disappointment but I guess I've learned my lesson lol
@famousone Yeh. Biden is bad. Obama was almost as bad. I'm not a partisan hack, I can admit that.
"Get over it" isn't a good response to being proven wrong, but okay, I'll let it go. Screaming "socialist!" at a centrist liberal is after all a popular pastime of US right wingers.
And I am for the US pulling out even if it makes oil more expensive in Europe, it's not worth the lost lives on either side. But blaming Europe for your warmongering is bs.
Anyhow, adios!
The world isn't just the US, you know. Actually, the world makes fun of the US, in large part because of people like you. Over here, the question whether to act on the pandemic or not isn't a split along party lines, it's about common sense. (2/2)
This is a bit intense for the comment section
Maybe come to the Discord mate?
Also I didn't even know there was a Discord lol.
Nobody's trying to "cancel the holidays", that's absolute nonsense, most Americans are still Christian and Democrats (most of whom are actually center right to center, very few Democrats are left wing) wouldn't dare go against traditional Christian holidays. What's actually happening is that people with common sense are trying to contain the spread of the disease.
Seriously, this crap is so untrue, and again I'm really disappointed how dishonest you've gotten lately. I'd understand an economically minded argument, because the lockdown has been hitting small businesses a lot, but saying "oh no I can't go out and infect grandma for a few weeks, must be a 'demonrat' conspiracy" is just absolute moon logic.
I'm brown, fuckwit.
The left are attacking the holiday season and the family get together that entails.
Democrats are left. By definition.
No, they're not. Show me some sources other than "trust me bro". Quotes of Democrat politicians, for example, saying they want to destroy the holidays or whatever.
By definition? Which definition? I have a feeling you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, because according to the political compass they're center right neoliberals, apart from some exceptions.
The demonrats thing was a joke because the rest of your comments are similarly conspiratorial as what people who call democrats 'demonrats' say. But sure, call me whatever you want for that joke. Freedom of speech, right? I have the freedom of speech to call you a sensitive snowflake as well.
The orders and mandates are meant to keep people from coming together, specifically during the holidays. What do quotes matter? It may not be the goal, but it would be the effect of compliance to the orders. No more to 5 in a household, fuck that.
By definition in that democrats support left-wing policies and have left-wing goals.
Democrats pursue left wing policies and goals? Hold on, let me throw my head back and laugh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, no, again, I advise you to look up the political compass, because honey, you seriously have no idea what you're talking about. There is an actual, more or less objective scale, which is more reliable than "daddy Trump told me Biden is a socialist". (The daddy Trump bit is also a joke meant to illustrate an unreliable source of information. Please do not get offended.)
Democrats pursue left wing policies and goals. What else is socialized medicine, education, government control of industry, placing the collective over the individual, or anything else in their platform? Even by global standards, but global standards don't mean jack shit in domestic politics, so you're wrong twice on that front.
And again, stop trying to put words in my mouth.
"The left are attacking the holiday season."
"democrats trying to cancel the holidays."
You can't lie your way out of this one, bucko. Multiple times in this thread you've said or implied they're putting restrictions in place because they want to maliciously cancel holidays. Again, you keep moving the goalpost. Putting restrictions in place because the numbers are higher than Snoop Dogg, which happens to be in time for the holidays (which, when would it not? It's a fucking pandemic, it's not gonna go away in a week, of course some holidays are gonna fall in the middle of it), is a whole different thing than "cancelling holidays". Democrats aren't the fucking Grinch.
Maybe like 1% of Democrats want that, and they get fucked over every time by the Democratic establishment which comprises entirely of neoliberal corporate shills.
Also, international standards are overriden by domestic standards now? That's fucking hilarious, I guess international law is invalid now too. The Chinese, Saudis and Israeli should take note of that whenever someone criticizes them for child labor, slavery and illegal settlements. Just pull a uno reverse card and say "well my domestic law says this" to the International Criminal Court. Mad lads. The thought actually made me chuckle.
I never said they were malicious, much less maliciously trying to cancel the holidays. Only that their restrictions would have that effect if abided by.
That is the democrat platform, who's moving goalposts now?
Yeah, international law is irrelevant to anyone who doesn't abide by them. Until somebody else forces it. If the international laws weren't written by theocratic dictators, genocidal warlords, antisemitic extremists, and the worst human rights violators in the world, maybe I would give a damn personally, but that still doesn't matter in the scope of US politics.
Hmm, I got the 2020 Democratic platform in front of me right now and low and behold, you were lying about every single thing! Damn, how unexpected, I only called you out for pulling stuff out of your ass like five times in this thread, I'm shocked you're being dishonest again.
And international law has no bearing on the US? Don't like it? Try and enforce against us. They are written by and enforced by the people we hate. End of discussion. Or is Iran and North Korea cool now?
Yeah, you don't have to reiterate that the US doesn't like playing by the rules and gets away with it because y'all have a bloated army, your govt makes it pretty clear all the time. Acting like the high school bully.
And we aren't the bully. We're the guy you call when the bully starts acting up. We're the athlete who carries the team, we're the nerd you cheat off of, we're the rich kid you always ask for a twenty. And when we decide we aren't going to fight your battles, play the game, give you our test, or fuck the racist POS who only ever talks about burning down the Jewish kid's house, you suddenly decide we're the delinquent. But God knows, you'll keep your hand out and ask for more.
You think you're Superman but really you're Homelander.
Trump is trying to bring us home from the Middle East. We don't need their oil, you do. Same with dealing with the Saudis. We don't need them, Europe does. Our environmental impact has substantially improved, unlike Europe.
And Iran was abiding by Obama's deal. Which was illegal without congress, and only served to pave the way for them to do what they want (nuke Israel and destroy the West, per their own statements).
According to the Climate Action Tracker, US policies in regards to climate change policies and emission pledges are "critically insufficient", the worst value on their scale. This is also reflected in reality. The US produces around 25% of all global emissions, being second only to China, and has the highest emissions per capita rate by quite a lot (source: Centre for Climate and Energy Solutions). So your statement about "substantially improving" is false. Again, pulled right out of your arse.
You want to fuck off? Then do, gladly. Do look after yourselves, y'know unless it's at the expense of someone else. Don't want to play by the rules, then don't play.
The US isn't great on climate, but we're improving at cost to ourselves, and though it doesn't matter, we're still making better strides than anybody else.
And Iran takes the mere existence of Jews and the West as an act of aggression. I wish they would invade Alaska, better to shoot them in the fucking throat than get drawn into another 50 year quagmire for Europe's benefit.
Everytime we try to fuck off we are attacked for it, and our politicians are fucking cowards who think things like "international law", "global approval", or any of Obama's numerous illegal deals are things that actually matter
Yeah, war hawk Democrats are wrong and in the pockets of the war machine. Nobody's denying that, fuck those guys honestly. But those war hawks aren't left leaning, only in the american fucked up "spectrum" where anything to the left of center right is "literally socialists omg". Actual lefties are for pulling out and even gave Trump credit for doing that, unfortunately only to later realize it's just kabuki theater.
Europe's benefit? Nobody except for war profiteers benefits from instability in the region.
Get a room you two lol
And yeah, Europe's benefit. It ain't us that needs the oil, the regional connections, or any of the mess. We just wanted to kill Saddam and Bin Laden. Mission accomplished, bring them home Mr. President.
But Biden won't. Anyone who paid any attention to Obama knows he was worse than Bush about military actions.
@famousone Yeh. Biden is bad. Obama was almost as bad. I'm not a partisan hack, I can admit that.
"Get over it" isn't a good response to being proven wrong, but okay, I'll let it go. Screaming "socialist!" at a centrist liberal is after all a popular pastime of US right wingers.
And I am for the US pulling out even if it makes oil more expensive in Europe, it's not worth the lost lives on either side. But blaming Europe for your warmongering is bs.
Anyhow, adios!