You really want to get into this? Its kind of a bitch to employ yourself, much less others. No one is stopping you from buying land and setting up shelter for people who don't have much. We have a right to complain, and there are definitely crooks out there. My advice is stop giving them your time and money.
You know who's stopping people? The one setting property values super high. Can't buy land and set up affordable housing if you can't afford to buy the land in the first place.
Know who's gonna stop you from not giving money to your landlord? Debtors hounding/suing you into oblivion, probably the cops for squatting and failure to comply with your end of the contract...
You mean... the free market, individual rights, and people who expect you to pay your dues according to a contract you agreed to penalties and all? Those are the only things in your way? Hate to break it to you, but you may be the bad guy, here.
You know, your whole deal about high property values sure doesn't hit any mark when there are small towns that are damn near giving away lots so the township can keep growing.
I wish I lived where you do @jaharien. If you don't live in the city where I am then you're screwed. Transportation costs, utilities, housing, everything skyrockets in price. It's pretty tough.
There is a township about every ten miles on every railroad track across the Midwest, take your pick. The trick is to find one about 15-20 miles away from a small city population of about 10,000. Which is where the jobs that pay halfway decent are. You will never make your millions, but its easier to live a happy life if find.
I live in a very rural area. Lots of farms and woodland all around. Far as I've seen, land is all either owned and not for sale, or too expensive for someone unable to get a high paying job...
Oooh, I see @jaharien. That explains it. We have towns here too but they have an ego problem and housing is similar to housing in cities. The difference is less amenities, less maintenance, and same taxations. It's a mess.
Crazy thought, but what if people moved to places with affordable housing. You can go to trade school in your spare time and become a arc welder or electrician making 26 an hour. Plenty of jobs everywhere in the US and Europe with nice houses selling for less than 200k. People complain about rent all the time, but they're too lazy to do anything about it. If you cant afford to live near your family then you should have considered a different career path. The first rule of capitalism is supply and demand. If more people try to live in a particular area then the rent will go up.
As the resident electrician I would like to point out the journeyman make 26 an hr, or a very high value apprentice. You do have be an apprentice for four years but 15-20 an hour is nothing to sneeze at. You can make more if you go on the road, which is the second rule of capitalism, chase opportunity.
Got out of the army recently. I leveraged my training and connections to get to a point where I'm currently buying the things I want while putting money away.
I'm sniffing out new opportunities at this very moment, two on the opposite side of the country and one overseas.
And I'm not shying away from a commute or insisting every job be glamorous or sexy.
Working out a Hell of a lot better than the idiots I graduated with who are still playing video games all day, getting drugged up or knocked up, and chasing fantasies in the most expensive cities in the country.
Humble brag? No. I'm openly bragging. I'm sick and tired of people being ashamed of progress, or acting like they're better and smarter for taking advantage of covid unemployment while I've been putting my nose to the grindstone.
Where are you making 15-20 to apprentice? Ive never seen an electrician apprenticeship out here for more than 12 an hour. Which is fucking pennies if youre trying to live comfortably
Apprentices around my town are making 16 to 24, but I walked away from that gig and am currently working as a route tech while reading into search and rescue in Florida, PMCing in the Middle East, or Montana law enforcement, which all make 16 look like pennies.
Alternatively I could do a warehouse gig with some cousins in Idaho for 12-15, which is awesome money for the area. But warehouse work has never interested me as anything more than a summer gig.
No, it doesn't. People just make stupid decisions and decide the rest of us to bail them out when moving to LA to be an A-list actor doesn't work out.
Pick up a trade and follow the work.
Find entry level work, or just get practical experience.
Split costs with a sibling or roommate.
Realize that some markets are over saturated and you're better off looking for work elsewhere.
Remember that your parents worked for decades to get all the nice things you grew up with, and you're not going to be able to support a family of 5 with all the new fancy toys and luxuries until you put in the work.
And most of all, nobody owes you a thing.
Oh no, I critique the system all the time. It fucking sucks, and it makes everything it touches so much worse.
You are the one trying to empower the elements that made things into shit.
I regularly work in Portland. I see massive inequality. I literally trip over homeless people every other time I have to go there. Burned out storefronts right next to people spending 20 bucks on a cup of Boba tea, while someone down the road is bitching about their new phone in spitting distance of some illegal who can barely scrape together enough cash for some tarp to repair their tent with.
And you know who built that ugly terrible fucking world? You did. People like you. Congrats.
I've seen it, and I refuse to be browbeat into going along with it after watching it fail just about every day.
Ahahaha, people like me sure didn't build this system. I assume you're talking about Starbucks sipping liberals, who I also hate, so we're on the same boat here. And even then, immediately blaming me to shut up my critiques, not a great argument my dude.
But then, what do you think is the better system? What parts of the current system need to be dismantled or changed specifically? I'm really curious, not trying to do a gotcha.
Of course you did. You and everyone else who wants to control how other people live and think. Who subscribes to identity politics and inherited guilt. Who think that the systems that created the problems in the world would be great if only they took even more control.
The regulation, the intersectional identities and politics. The labels and impositions. Schools making little white boys apologize for the color of their skin, governments providing preferential treatment and privileges on the basis of race or sexuality.
You've defended most of these points before, so don't you dare try to say that you're not part of it.
Rent in my area reflects mortgages. Whatever the renter pays is equal to the mortgage payment. I'm not worried about rent. I think the focus should be on mortgage rates and a cost of living that is made unreasonable by high taxation. Whining about high rent is like complaining about a sore throat when you have a fever requiring hospitalization.
@famousone Mmm, nope. I'm for gay and trans people having equal rights but not preferential treatment, and I'm against inherited/white guilt. I'm for sensible regulations, not the BS that helps megacorporations eliminate competition. They should be culled in a sensible way. I'm a free speech absolutist, I believe you should be able to say what you want, and I have never indicated otherwise. I'm puzzled by this notion many people on the right have, that disagreement equals wanting to remove free speech. No, by disagreeing I'm utilizing my right to free speech, and you're equally free to do the same. Furthermore, by disagreeing I'm not automatically on the "other side". I'm usually trying to reach a middle ground. It's you who attributes the most extreme shit to me, stuff I never said.
Sigh... could you, at least ONCE, react to what I actually say and not to a strawman/guilt by association you made and misremembered from previous convos? It'd be real nice. One time is all I'm asking for.
I have. I do. And then we end up right back here anyways, with you pretending I haven't and then falling back on condescension and straight up lying about what you or others said.
We can all see your comment history, or do you need me to go back and remind you? Too bad.
Know who's gonna stop you from not giving money to your landlord? Debtors hounding/suing you into oblivion, probably the cops for squatting and failure to comply with your end of the contract...
I'm sniffing out new opportunities at this very moment, two on the opposite side of the country and one overseas.
And I'm not shying away from a commute or insisting every job be glamorous or sexy.
Working out a Hell of a lot better than the idiots I graduated with who are still playing video games all day, getting drugged up or knocked up, and chasing fantasies in the most expensive cities in the country.
Humble brag? No. I'm openly bragging. I'm sick and tired of people being ashamed of progress, or acting like they're better and smarter for taking advantage of covid unemployment while I've been putting my nose to the grindstone.
Alternatively I could do a warehouse gig with some cousins in Idaho for 12-15, which is awesome money for the area. But warehouse work has never interested me as anything more than a summer gig.
Pick up a trade and follow the work.
Find entry level work, or just get practical experience.
Split costs with a sibling or roommate.
Realize that some markets are over saturated and you're better off looking for work elsewhere.
Remember that your parents worked for decades to get all the nice things you grew up with, and you're not going to be able to support a family of 5 with all the new fancy toys and luxuries until you put in the work.
And most of all, nobody owes you a thing.
You are the one trying to empower the elements that made things into shit.
I regularly work in Portland. I see massive inequality. I literally trip over homeless people every other time I have to go there. Burned out storefronts right next to people spending 20 bucks on a cup of Boba tea, while someone down the road is bitching about their new phone in spitting distance of some illegal who can barely scrape together enough cash for some tarp to repair their tent with.
And you know who built that ugly terrible fucking world? You did. People like you. Congrats.
I've seen it, and I refuse to be browbeat into going along with it after watching it fail just about every day.
But then, what do you think is the better system? What parts of the current system need to be dismantled or changed specifically? I'm really curious, not trying to do a gotcha.
The regulation, the intersectional identities and politics. The labels and impositions. Schools making little white boys apologize for the color of their skin, governments providing preferential treatment and privileges on the basis of race or sexuality.
You've defended most of these points before, so don't you dare try to say that you're not part of it.
Sigh... could you, at least ONCE, react to what I actually say and not to a strawman/guilt by association you made and misremembered from previous convos? It'd be real nice. One time is all I'm asking for.
We can all see your comment history, or do you need me to go back and remind you? Too bad.