Well, you shouldn't complain and bitch at a job interview, but uh, they shouldn't be late, and yeah they should have posted the salary. They're trying to be smug to someone that clearly didn't want the job after that interview.
There are lots of reasons to not put the salary range but to discourage people just applying for the money sounds like total BS or just silly.
If the salary is anywhere near reasonable for the position or industry than someone in the career or would passing Google abilities should be able to tell what the job SHOULD pay. Outside certain select careers or vocations and leaving out those financially gifted enough to work because they want to and not have to- people have a monthly “nut.” We know our financial responsibilities and at least know there is a threshold below which we simply cannot work for that little money unless we are absolutely desperate. By and large not placing a salary range tends to support exploitation, either of those unaware of what a position usually pays or as a form of “bait and switch” or because the company doesn’t want current employees to know what they are offering new hires… usually because they are taking advantage of current employees.
At the end of the day the point is a bit moot- salary and compensation should generally be the last thing discussed in employment negotiations anyway. You have to go through the whole process and get an offer before you can find out what they might pay. In such negotiation the first party to name a number is usually at a disadvantage because you can’t generally go the advantageous direction once you’ve set your floor/ceiling. In other words if a candidate says they’d take “$50k” and the counter offer is $48” it’s hard to then say: “55…” and vice versa. So I mean-
You never really know what a job pays until you sign the contract and even then perhaps not lol.
You don't want people to apply just for the money? What, are you looking for people that are independently wealthy and only take a job to give themselves something to do?
News flash: if people could make a living without working, most of them wouldn't work.
Employers shouldn't expect special treatment if they waste someone's time, and nobody applies to a job without thinking of the salary; that's kind of important, so the candidate knows they can pay the rent and afford to not die every month.
Courtesy is expected, but until they're employed, they're not the candidate's boss.
I've had similar things happen when some company was asking me to please interview for a job or "explore an opportunity." Despite not being interested in leaving where I was, I took a day of vacation to travel for the interview. Then, even though *they* were the ones that prompted the interview, they did a lot of dumb things like be late, or just start looking at my resume after the interview started.
I got a lot better at fielding the initial inquiry. When they couldn't even give an intelligent answer to my question, I knew to not pursue things any further.
Agreed. Even the simplest little thing can be a huge red flag because this is like the “courtship” period where everyone is supposed to be on their best behavior. Everything is planned and controllable and so if people are having trouble just keeping things on track at that stage where they know possibly weeks or months in advance they’ll be meeting with each other or at the least with someone… it doesn’t look good. Disrespect at this point is a very bad sign as well, an employer that doesn’t want to give you time to properly leave your former employer with notice or who is pushy etc are generally very bad signs. I personally consider being late a very bad sign. We are all busy and sometimes it will happen, but punctuality is the courtesy of kings. If someone has nothing to give they can always give punctuality. If someone has everything in the world you can always give them punctuality. We can lie with our words and tell someone they’re important or we appreciate their time etc…
.. but being punctual shows we appreciate their time. It’s a harder lie to make because it requires some effort. Being late can also be a form of “power play,” (although so can being particularly early) it can put a person off guard and it sends a message of who is in control. It says: “YOU are on MY schedule. YOU will wait because I told you to.” Or that “I am important and have things to do that are more important than you…” A meeting is a form of agreement or contract, it defines the rules by which two parties conduct a relationship. Signals like tardiness or unilateral rules signal which party has the power or leverage to set the rules or apply rules to others that don’t apply to them. It seems silly and being 3 minutes late isn’t necessarily a huge slight- but excessively so or in conjunction with other small clues we can see how people really feel to how they tend to conduct themselves.
I’ve learned that simple little things like needing to repeat requests, having an employer forget key points that are discussed or in your paperwork, or things like failure to send documents can signal red flags. If you ask for something like a pay plan or benefits information and they say they will send it but they don’t, that can be a bad sign. If they tell you they aren’t sure who to speak to but will find out and have it sent and then when next you speak they forgot, that can be a bad sign that they don’t follow through or there is disorganization etc. so I mean- the little details make the big picture. Little details or one or two little snags don’t always spell doom but one starts to recognize certain patterns that indicate there is likely a larger problem.
If the salary is anywhere near reasonable for the position or industry than someone in the career or would passing Google abilities should be able to tell what the job SHOULD pay. Outside certain select careers or vocations and leaving out those financially gifted enough to work because they want to and not have to- people have a monthly “nut.” We know our financial responsibilities and at least know there is a threshold below which we simply cannot work for that little money unless we are absolutely desperate. By and large not placing a salary range tends to support exploitation, either of those unaware of what a position usually pays or as a form of “bait and switch” or because the company doesn’t want current employees to know what they are offering new hires… usually because they are taking advantage of current employees.
You never really know what a job pays until you sign the contract and even then perhaps not lol.
News flash: if people could make a living without working, most of them wouldn't work.
Courtesy is expected, but until they're employed, they're not the candidate's boss.
I got a lot better at fielding the initial inquiry. When they couldn't even give an intelligent answer to my question, I knew to not pursue things any further.