Ruining the earth because you watched a Chernobyl documentary
1 year ago by victoria · 55 Likes · 13 comments · Fresh
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cakelover
· 1 year ago
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The strange thing is that even if you count Chernobyl, nuclear power causes less death and environmental destruction than coal and solar
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karlboll
· 1 year ago
True, assuming we keep being absolutely paranoid about it for the next couple of thousands years or so, and provided solar and wind power doesn't keep developing.
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typow777
· 1 year ago
Something I think about - nuclear waste will be around much longer than any written language. How do we write a warning label in a format no one would recognize. Like Egyptian carvings on a wall.. what would it say that's universal. A simple skull?
party05
· 1 year ago
something else to think about- nuclear waste is, and has been since the beginning of the use of nuclear power plants, relatively east to store. in fact, you can recycle and repurpose old defunct mine shafts that sit below the water table and seal them in there so that there isn’t any risk of contamination, so mankind is continuing to get some use out of them.
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guest_
· 1 year ago
Lol. Well- it’s certainly a valid concern troubling many minds for awhile now- how to warn the future should the knowledge of today be lost. That said…. I like inspectora’s take- and in a less humorous reply I would say that ultimately human beings and most animals really, are reasonable good at figuring out places not to go. So in scenario A, tens or hundreds of thousands of years in the future they may still be very much aware of nuclear danger- if not scientifically at least some vague ghost stories not to go to “that cave” or what not. If all knowledge is somehow lost- if at some point people just forget about the 100k+ year important thing- they’ll likely figure it out. If you get close enough to get serious rad sickness they’ll probably at least avoid the place, and if they only get close enough to increase cancer risk that’s probably fine. If they lack the technology or advancement to figure out the problem or even notice a problem- average life expectancy is probably low enough
guest_
· 1 year ago
that a lifetime cancer risk increase isn’t the thing that will be doing most people in.
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inspectora
· 1 year ago
Yeah, ghost stories from 1,000s years ago now-adays attract ghost hunters and TV shows about cryptids.
guest_
· 1 year ago
Well… I mean… Fukushima comes to mind. And the thing is that nuclear power isn’t just nuclear power PLANTS, there are entire regions contaminated and impacted by the machining and mining and production and storage of nuclear fuels and materials. Lake Karachay- if you aren’t familiar it is a lake that can kill you in under 30 minutes of exposure due to radioactivity. That also ignores the dangers of nuclear and radioactive weapons proliferation that could occur if nuclear power was as common as other forms of power. Ignoring Chernobyl is also a bit like saying: “Nuclear bombs aren’t even dangerous- if you ignore Hiroshima and Nagasaki- beach balls have killed more people…” yeah. True. But that one time in the…. 73 or so years we’ve had nuclear power, that a vast exclusion zone was created of uninhabitable land for possibly tens of thousands of years or more…
guest_
· 1 year ago
So think of all the young technologies. Lots of them have higher body counts in their first century right? But… no matter how many people have died from aviation accidents- how many of those would it take to render 150,000 square miles unsuitable for humans… for 3,000 or more years? After a mass shooting, people may have trauma, but there’s nothing inherently dangerous or that prevents the building from being used as soon as it is cleaned and repaired. If 100 people died on a stretch of highway in a single day, it could be up and running in as little as a few days with no one who didn’t see the news the wiser save perhaps some road side memorials. If an oil tanker spills… we may see the effects for generations- but it is unlikely there would be significant impact over thousands of years from a single incident. Almost every other type of major incident known lacks the long term effects of nuclear incidents, and of those that have the potential to linger most require cumulative…
guest_
· 1 year ago
occurrence to produce serious effects. Heavy metals remain dangerous effectively forever. Not that we are letting that stop our quest for the “bright” electric future- but things like leaded fuel only became serious health hazards after decades of daily cumulative events by hundreds of thousands or millions of people. It only takes on nuclear power plant accident, one time, to leave potentially an entire city or county or in some places provinces or even countries dangerous or deadly for human habitation for thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. To borrow a thought from Karlboll- if we have near perfect planning and design and construction, near perfect diligence and practices, constantly, for thousands of years, we can say that most of the potential for danger has been mitigated. Barring the unexpected of course- which it is a bit hard to be prepared for that which you don’t expect, but still.
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guest_
· 1 year ago
So nuclear power is too dangerous to use? Where did I say that? I am for the construction and operation of nuclear power plants as a way to decrease reliance on fossil fuels. I am for the construction and operation and study of nuclear plants so we can build safer, more efficient, more advanced designs. I do not favor a lax approach to nuclear power as though it is safe as pure water or that it is a magic totem that we can evaporate all our energy and related pollution issues with. It is a tool, like any other. It has a place. Using solar, wind, hydroelectric, geothermal, various kinetic energy generators and sinks and other nivel or yet in realized means to generate power as a sensible system is the best approach in my mind.
guest_
· 1 year ago
While doing this we need to continue to scale back- eliminate wasteful uses of energy and work in earnest to improve the efficiency of technology. This is especially true if we continue to see the global population rise or remain at near present levels long term. To be able to supply the energy needs of the future, as there are more people and more technology is integrated into everyday life, and globally more people gain access to technology, we have to do better. There comes a point where there just isn’t enough for everyone and no clever trickery short of some post scarcity near magical device of alchemy waves that away. Even nuclear material suitable as fuel is finite. So nuclear power isn’t the demon many make it out as but it also isn’t our huggable best buddy, human error, our lack of total immunity to nature and physics, and greed/corruption/laziness etc. are real dangers in nuclear power. We have to look at a world where we can’t keep lead out of kids toys and ask if we trust
guest_
· 1 year ago
the same people who we charged with that task with something as complex and with as much money tied up in it as nuclear power. A path forward requires us to find solutions to these problems or get left behind.