Career And Life Management. To help you plan for the future or something. I found it completely useless and have never used anything from that class.
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Ah, we had a mandatory course like that. Never used any of it, even the lessons about resumes and cover letters. (Found it more useful to google when the need arises.) I ended up in a totally different career than the ones that I learned about in high school.
Same. The only somewhat helpful thing we did was a fake interview with an actually company. But yeah, I'm in a totally different career than what I did for that.
So....where in the constitution does it say income tax is illegal? Don't get me wrong, I think America's tax system is fucked, but saying its unconstitutional is just dumb
Listen you don't have to say what I'm saying is dumb, if you disagree, great, but I am not stupid and neither are the things that I say. The fourth amendment guarantees the security of our papers, and income tax is a complete violation of that, in that the government is completely invading our privacy by knowing exactly, down to the penny, how much money every American makes. If you would feel weird asking someone a personal question (i.e. how much money do you make?) because it invades their privacy, then just think, does the government have the right to forcefully know? People miss the big picture about America, we are not a democracy, we're a republic. And that is so laws can't be arbitrarily voted into being by the majority. Government was meant to be minimal, existing solely to protect American rights, certainly not to forcefully take a portion of their earnings. In short, the 16th amendment violates the 4th amendment. If an amendment was voted into being that said (continued...
...continued) "the federal government shall have the right to seize all privately owned firearms at any given time" would that make it constitutional? Of course not because it violates the constitution in itself. I'm not a rambling idiot and I do not appreciate your calling my statement dumb.
First of all, the 4th amendment says 'The right of the people to be secure...against unreasonable searches and seizures...' The key word is UNREASONABLE. How else is the government going to get money if not from income tax? Of course they have lots of other assets, but our (income) taxes do make up a portion and they'll have to find someplace else to make up its deficit.
Amendment 16 essentially says that Congress can lay income taxes regardless of the popular opinion of states and the people. The reason for this is so that the people won't stop supporting the government. If the government falls, the country by definition falls into anarchy.
You could argue that 16 violates 4, but I say it doesn't because it's perfectly reasonable for the government to get money from the people. Of course, 16 doesn't state that Congress can set the AMOUNT, so they can't set UNREASONABLE taxes.
What they can do is cut their ridiculous spending and cut out income tax altogether, I think income tax makes up like 24% of the governments funds. That needs to be cut out and the government needs to stop living so large on the backs of American citizens income. Our government needs to be way smaller than it is, have much less power, and simply be less. It was created simply to protect our rights. It was not created to be in charge of citizens at all! The only authority our government should have is basic criminal law enforcement which is backed by the people. It should not be possible for our government to forcefully take our money. And when you said if the government falls, the country falls into anarchy by definition. You could not possibly be more wrong. You're missing the entire idea of America. We are a strong and independent people. We are not ruled by any government, we are accountable to ourselves, through a small, self created government. Our government is (continued...
The majority of people are too lazy, too stupid, or too (dis)illusioned to bother helping the government. Or too busy bitching ABOUT the government, they have to find something to hate.
When a government falls, it's by definition anarchy. No government. Anarchy means there's no government. If a government becomes gone, there becomes anarchy.
Continued... ) supposed to be accountable to us, not the other way around. Basically this is my whole point. Our government is way too big, too many politicians, too much power, too much everything. If our government was 24% smaller we could completely eliminate income tax. (I'm not sure if my 24% figure is completely accurate, I didn't look it up recently) In response to what you first said, it says we have the right to be secure in our papers. That means they have no right to be in our business.
So we civilians could theoretically sell say...nuclear warheads and the government shouldn't get involved in our business? We're not going to be the ones detonating them, we're not going to be the ones pushing that red button. It's ok to sell biological hazards, such as anthrax, smallpox, and ricin because as long as we're not going to do anything bad with it, it's ok? No. The government needs to have a certain stake in and control over our businesses for our (and other's) safety. Some people just don't have the common sense (or are intentionally malicious) and the rest of common society doesn't have the backing to stop them.
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I fear I'm going to run out of space so I'll put an example in another reply.
Ok I guess I wasn't clear on the definition of anarchy, but we are supposed to be able to stand with no government because we are not supposed to be dependent on the government, the government is suppose to be dependent and accountable to the people. And further more, what do you think UNREASONABLE taxation is? I am in my 20s and do not make very much money yet and it's already 10% of my hard earned money and it only gets worse as you make more money! It discourages business and becoming wealthy and in turn discourages job creation! And if they can "reasonably" tax us, what's to stop them from "unreasonably" taxing us? Because I guarantee you people aren't going to vote for 70% of their money to be stolen. The answer is this, no income tax whatsoever, it's a complete violation of our privacy! It's my money, not theirs and they have no right to steal it, yet we stand and let them!
Have you heard nothing I've said? Of course people should not be allowed to deal with nuclear warheads and bio weapons and such, we are accountable to each other through a system of laws and small government. I don't think laws are unconstitutional, I think our government is too big and out of control.
For example:
Someone has WMDs (weapons of mass destruction/denial) and their own small personal army. The government can't do shit because they can't interfere with their business. The person's not doing anything bad to people, so the government can't say anything. Now the general population lives in fear of this entity. However, the government isn't allowed to help because of its own laws. The population then start pushing for the safe decommission of the WMDs. They start off quietly, such as with letters and petitions, then get more vocal, such as picketing and the general media. Then they start storming the factories and warehouses. Then shit hits the fan. That small personal army absolutely demolishes the protesters, massacring thousands in an hour. The government, because it's so small, now can't do jack shit because they don't have the resources to put down this danger. Then the Capitol gets nuked, and anarchy ensues.
Ever take a US History class? John Brown's Raid on Harpers Ferry, before the Civil War. We're going to disregard his intentions for the simplicity of this argument, but just so you know, he wanted to incite a slave rebellion.
Anyhow, he raided the federal arsenal at Harpers Ferry to try to distribute them to slaves in the countryside. His plan was discovered and he along with most of his cohorts were killed or executed. The government had the power to put down this uprising. Now, this is a bit different because it's a direct attack on federal property. Here's another example, but I don't remember all the details.
The Whiskey Rebellion, also sometime around the Civil War era. Whiskey was being heavily taxed and people didn't like it and started rioting. Government sends in marines to put it down. First time in US history that military force was used to stop a rebellion. Admittedly, the government did interfere with their way of life by taxing whiskey. Don't remember why it was taxed.
I will bookmark this page for return in one year. I'll have finished a government and politics class by then and will (hopefully) be more informed on this subject.
Also the Bill of rights secures our rights. The constitution is a guide line on how structure the government. The fact is, the constitution is built so that the government can tax people effectively. That includes income tax. So, jjohnson21, you are being phenominally stupid.
The constitution is not built so the government can tax people... What the fuck are you talking about, have you heard nothing I've said? Why is the government allowed to forcefully steal my money if I don't want to give it to them? It's completely ridiculous and wrong. And like I said it discourages hard work and the starting of businesses because of how much damn taxes you have to "pay." If you get rid of income tax you put more money back into people's pockets, put more money in business, therefore creating more jobs. As it is our insane income tax rates drive businesses out of the country because they can do it elsewhere cheaper. Do you really think that is right? You work for money, then the government steps in and, at the point of a gun I might add, forcefully takes your money. Anything that has to be forcefully done to citizens who have broken no laws and done nothing wrong is completely wrong.
If the document in question was the articles of confederation, then jjohnson would have a point. But that document is over 200 years dead. Learn US history.
My school did teach me this stuff, actually learned a lot of it in 6th grade, although i doubt most of my class actually learned any of it. Also doubt even after graduating whether 80% of my class that "passed" could do any of that....or basic math....or basic English....but that's our education system.
You could also take the initiative and learn about it yourself from your parents, library, any sort of economics or accounting teacher
My computer apps class that's mandatory involved things that had some to do with business and economics. Plus half of my American studies class was economics while the other half was government. But in computer apps I learned how to fill out a job application, balance a checkbook, write personal and formal business letters and make a résumé.
Granted, I went to high school in Wales so I don't know how much help that would be to me in America
Amendment 16 essentially says that Congress can lay income taxes regardless of the popular opinion of states and the people. The reason for this is so that the people won't stop supporting the government. If the government falls, the country by definition falls into anarchy.
You could argue that 16 violates 4, but I say it doesn't because it's perfectly reasonable for the government to get money from the people. Of course, 16 doesn't state that Congress can set the AMOUNT, so they can't set UNREASONABLE taxes.
When a government falls, it's by definition anarchy. No government. Anarchy means there's no government. If a government becomes gone, there becomes anarchy.
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I fear I'm going to run out of space so I'll put an example in another reply.
Someone has WMDs (weapons of mass destruction/denial) and their own small personal army. The government can't do shit because they can't interfere with their business. The person's not doing anything bad to people, so the government can't say anything. Now the general population lives in fear of this entity. However, the government isn't allowed to help because of its own laws. The population then start pushing for the safe decommission of the WMDs. They start off quietly, such as with letters and petitions, then get more vocal, such as picketing and the general media. Then they start storming the factories and warehouses. Then shit hits the fan. That small personal army absolutely demolishes the protesters, massacring thousands in an hour. The government, because it's so small, now can't do jack shit because they don't have the resources to put down this danger. Then the Capitol gets nuked, and anarchy ensues.
Anyhow, he raided the federal arsenal at Harpers Ferry to try to distribute them to slaves in the countryside. His plan was discovered and he along with most of his cohorts were killed or executed. The government had the power to put down this uprising. Now, this is a bit different because it's a direct attack on federal property. Here's another example, but I don't remember all the details.
The Whiskey Rebellion, also sometime around the Civil War era. Whiskey was being heavily taxed and people didn't like it and started rioting. Government sends in marines to put it down. First time in US history that military force was used to stop a rebellion. Admittedly, the government did interfere with their way of life by taxing whiskey. Don't remember why it was taxed.
You could also take the initiative and learn about it yourself from your parents, library, any sort of economics or accounting teacher