I don't want menists or whatever you end up calling it...
I'd rather just have equality, where men and women can go and do their thing independantly without feeling like, or society assuming that they NEED each other. They can then associate with each other because they WANT to, not because they are expected to.
I understand that there are some women who do behave like that, but did you also know that 1 in 4 women will be a victim of sexual assault, or the fact that up to 40% of women will suffer domestic violence. Where's the gender equality there?! You cry poor men, when we live in a world where women still earn less, are still treated with little respect, and have far less rights.
There's a difference between equality and justice. Don't trust statistics of sexual assault or domestic abuse; not all reports are accounted for. Also, there are feminist sites who use domestic violence or sexual assault as a way for political advantage. Not only that, but they exaggerate it greatly. With the 'equality' of women, men are being pushed down lower in the justice ranks. This isn't equality, this is favouritism of sex.
Yeah the statistics are HIGHER as some women are too afraid to actually report what has happened to them. Because our society has been able to convince women it is their fault, for drinking too much, for wearing 'inappropriate' clothing, for upsetting the man and making him aggresive. Women who ruin men's lives with lies/manipulation/generally being a bitch are repulsive excuses as human beings...but this does not lessen the fact that women are still second class citizens in many parts of the world.
The other thing to, is, that we live in a society where if you're a man, then sleeping with a lot of women means you're successful, and a stud/you're envied by other men.
If you're a woman, and you sleep with lots of men, you're considered easy, a whore, a slut, not worth much. That's why a women staring at a guys crotch is considered flirting, and why a man staring at a women's breast is "perverted." The guy whose getting is crotch stared at is lucky he's getting his crotch stared at. Women choose at the end of the day whether or not they'll have sex with you. All you men are just upset that they have that power.
You talk about gender equality, but really, all you want is to take away the last bit of power women have. The worst part? You're disguising it as "equality."
"Shit head men" that's pretty fucking rude. Your idea of "equality" isn't justice, it is just about women gaining privileges in society and law. History is repeating itself with nazi feminists trying to downgrade men and have women rise as the superior sex. This is coming from a female, by the way.
^ I am glad someone else is seeing this happening, I believe in equality, and that any human has the capability of accomplishing great things despite gender, but it is true that this had turned from "equality" to a movement for higher power and influence over the other gender, and it will only repeat the cycle. People that can't even see this, and already have hatred or resentment towards one gender are only setting the human race back into the age of ignorance.
Really. When have you ever seen any of this shit happen? I'm a girl, I've never hit anyone, and you know what? If I did, I sure as he'll wouldn't have someone come up to me and high five me like "good job! You're strong for hitting that man! Way to go!"
It isn't about women getting privileges or not, everyone deserves to be treated equally and their accomplishments acknowledged. My point is more on the lines of taking things from one extreme to the next, and it can be seen in the reactions of people to this specific subject. The way that the opinion is carried is not for equality, but rather comes across as aggression towards the opposing side. This can only lead to further tension between sides, and thus the conflict will simply continue to exist if not escalate.
I also understand there are feminist that strive for true equality, and they are pioneers in social movements, but sadly the views with the most attention by media and society, are the more aggressive, borderline extremist ones, that is something that we can't deny since we come across it all the time, otherwise this post would not be here.
Equality works two ways. Sometimes women do things and they get told they're right or it's okay, while when men would do the same things, they would get told they're wrong. But there are also cases where women are still left behind. If I, as a woman, do the same job for the same ammount of hours a day as a man, I should be getting paid the same, but still, I'm not. That is why feminism is still needed. However, I don't agree with the "special rights" based on nothing.
If you are not getting paid the same ( meaning you work the same hours and are in the exact same position as who you are comparing to ) you can bring it up with your boss or sue if you want. But as far as I know the wage gap is fabricated.
My source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/
I have never, ever seen any of that happen. That doesn't mean cases like that don't exist, but a lot of you guys behave as if it was an everyday thing to you. Now let me tell you a story: once, when I was on a bus to see my best friend, I sat next to an older guy (about 30-40 I guess), because it was the only seat left. He started asking me questions like where am I going and how old I am. It was suspicious, but I didn't want to be unfriendly, so I answered (note that I was 15 at that time and that did not stop him). Then he started touching my thigh and asking me if I liked it. Now I'm not sure whether or not this counts as sexual assault, but either way, I was terrified. It took me a few seconds to shake it off, I stood up, and decided to stand for the rest of the way, no matter how bad were the looks people gave me, because the driver had to open the door on every stop, thinking I'd get out...
...I've never told anyone because I fear they might either get overprotective and angry for not saying anything earlier or tell me "It was nothing, get over it." Either way, this is a very unpleasant memory and I doubt any of you guys experienced something that would make you agree with this post so much, like a woman beating you or something. One Scumbag Stacy that cheated on you isn't a reason to say women are praised for beating men. You rant about stuff you know nothing about.
Even with this experience, you don't see me running around, screaming "All guys are disgusting pervs!" or something like that. I know there are assholes found in every corner of the world, with any gender, any social status. I still shiver when I remember, but even after that I don't generalize, so please, don't generalize either. And please, don't talk about stuff that you've probably never even seen happen as if it was your personal experience and a reason to bash all women just because you hate your ex.
ewqua...wow that is such an awful story. I hope you are okay now? People don't realise the impact something like that can have on a person. I had a similar incident, but unfortunately with a family member and it went a little further than touching my thigh...but as you say it is not a reason to hate all men. That one incident has shaped the way I interact with men, even now as a 26 year old. People say so often 'well what were you wearing?' as if I (or you) had any control of the situation (I was 15 also) The fact that I have trouble forming relationships with men now really pisses me off. People saying to brush it off have no idea, and they really piss me off. And then there are the people who post things like this, and yeah...they sorta piss me off as well! Maybe if men were to walk in our shoes and be ogled, pinched, slapped, groped, felt up and had rude comments made at them then maybe they could start to understand what it feels like for a girl...
And I only managed to avoid the rape portion of the scummy guys evening as when he tried to cover my mouth to stop my screaming I bit down on his index finger so hard I almost all bit through to the bone, and then ran away. Survival instincts hey :/
Guest...I'm so sorry for what you had to go through. It must have been horrible. I have trouble forming relationships too, but that might be because I don't really go out with people (I hate clubs and bars and places like that because they're usually crowded and that makes me feel anxious). Other than that, I think I'm fine, thank you for asking.
I get really pissed off when guys blame a rape case on how the girl was dressed, too! I mean, in my case, I wore a plain grey T-shirt and jeans! Nothing revealing! Also at that time, I was pretty skinny and not yet fully developed, not to mention I'm no beauty and still, at the age of 17, I haven't started using makeup or anything. Still, the creep didn't mind! I never understood how can they even blame the victim for the way she dresses. "Hurr durr she wore shorts which means she was totally asking for it." NO! Hell no! Anyone who says that should try to walk in the victim's shoes, to see how it really was. Maybe that would shut them up.
To ewqua and guest I'm so sorry about both your incidents and I cannot imagine how terrifying that would have been and how horrible that is and it's never something someone should tell you to just "brush it off and forget about it" because saying that is not okay at all. I truly hope you're both okay and recovered from that
Thank you. I'm okay, but I think this has affected my behaviour towards men a lot. I'm much colder and reserved than I used to be, but that's about it, I hope. Thank you for your concern :)
See I think that women hit men more in self defense (or bite men in self defense) which is why it's considered "ok" for women to hit men. But men usually hit women to attack them, and very rarely because they're being attack by a woman. Not that it doesn't happen, and if it did, I would give the man a total ok to hit the woman attacking him.
Just FYI, Cracked isn't exactly a credible source of factual information or "news." It's a humor site, much like the onion.
While a nugget of truth may slip through from time to time, their articles are essentially editorials that are heavily opinionated and often not balanced or unbiased.
I wasn't passing it off as news. "Breaking news: all men hate women!" I'm tired of these shit posts. Saying that men are getting treated unfairly, because from time to time a woman has some power. You're acting like YOU'RE the oppressed race! Do you know what? I'm not dating any man who hits me and then says it's okay because of some shit excuse about "gender equality!" This entire post is fucking stupid and insulting to victims of abuse
Do you know why it's okay for a woman to hit a man and not the other way around? Because when a woman hits a man it's usually in self defense. By and large. Vast majority of the time. When a man hits a woman it's because he's abusing her. Vast majority of the time.
most women will be sexually assaulted or almost sexually assaulted. men can be but it isn't nearly as likely. so yes, men are treated differently but it's to watch out for the women who are more than likely to be assaulted.
Ok, first of all did anybody notice at I said "usually gets paid the same"??? And I can't even speak for all countries, just my country, so everyone calm your shit. Second, I am not promoting men beating women or rapes or anything of that kind, damn. I've been there and done that, experienced every kind of abuse growing up, thats probably why I'm as tough as I am now. I'm just saying so much more is expected from a guy. If a heterosexual couple is sleeping in bed and you hear a noise who's going?? Right, the guy. Something heavy? I'll ask him to do it. I could not be strong and brave all the time. That's all I was saying. You guys are acting like I'm saying bow to men and obey them or something. Lol my husband knows better than that. Just saying guys got it tougher in my opinion. Luckily, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I think, as I've mentioned before, that guys and girls both have it tough, in different ways, though. Like guys do usually do all that stuff, and work, but girls have periods and work as well, raising kids. Guys have it rough because they work with asshole and have a lousy boss and whatever, and girls have to raise children which requires you to work around the clock. Both aren't easier, neither is harder, but they are difficult in different ways. I just think it's too easy to look over at the other gender and think: "wow! Guys have it easy! They don't have to worry about periods or makeup or boobs and they don't have all this drama like I do!" Or "I always have to go get the spider, and I have to provide for my family! Girls have it so much easier!" But really, life hates everyone equally and we all have our problems.
well when you think of all the men who have raped women, its kind of hard to trust every single guy you see. Im not saying there arent women rapists, just think how much getting raped as a female can shatter your life, same if you're a male.
This is a stupid post things are just the way they are, and most of these aren't even true. And for you to be whining about "men's rights", in which you still and have always had the upper hand, and women are still grievously mistreated in more of the world than not. The idea that we will obtain gender equality is a farce because there are some things that men can't do that women can, and vice-versa.
But if girls take charge at work they're bossy but if men do it they're good leaders? And if men fuck loads of women he's a lad but if a woman does she's a slut? Guys can walk around shirtless but women cant even though breasts aren't sexual organs, they're made for breast feeding, which, talking of, I'm not allowed to do in public in case people get the wrong idea of what's breasts are for?
Reasons why I need feminism:
Girls aren't allowed to get an education in many countries
Women aren't allowed to go anywhere without a male chaperone in some middle eastern countries
Women get stoned to death for being raped in a few countries and the stone throwers aren't punished
Girls get married off at extremely young ages to much older men who rape them and take away their innocence in some countries
That said, WOMEN SHOULD NOT KICK GUYS IN THE BALLS WHEN THE GUY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG. end rant
We can have equal rights, like you can treat your both your children fairly and with respect. BUT. maybe you don't have the same rules for them because they're different people and they'll never be the same as each other. So maybe you have rules that apply to both of them, like no running in the house, no eating desert without, do your homework when they come home, so they'll both grow up to be safe, healthy, productive people. But, maybe you let the older one stay up a little later, like half an hour later, because they help you with the dishes, while the younger one has to go to bed earlier because they can't help do chores yet.
I think men and women have way more in common than they have differences :) but we can't pretend they're the same as each other. Apples and oranges, you know?
Anyone has the right to do/say some of these things. It's how people think of it your actions. Honestly I don't think staring at a dude's dick is flirting I think it is fucking perverted. I also don't believe a lot of other things are true on this list. Many women are not like this and it's not fair how some men are assuming all women are the same.
Ok guys. Answer this-
if you were in a cab with a man who was advancing on you, you'd be scared too. Why? Because he has the physical traits to force himself on you. Now imagine that. EVERY time you see a man. Every day. For your entire life. That's how women feel everyday. Regarding earlier comments. I was four when I had a family member do that to me. But according to society, it must of been what I was wearing. It must have been my four year old body showing 'way too much'
so fuck you if you think its 'our fault' how the hell is a four y/o girl gonna know what was happening? How was I supposed to help myself and avoid it? So if you think that way, I've got something to tell you-you're a dick.
I’ve honestly never seen a women walk into a men’s room to be a creep, but I have had a man walk into the bathroom I was in and try to watch. No one I know has looked at a guys junk on purpose, but I have seen guys who stare down women like a lion with prey. Other than my mother (a veteran of the army) I have never known a woman that had a decent punch, I’ve tried to fight a guy off and he laughed at my punch and later he put a hole in the wall with his. I’ve never known a guy who was assaulted by a woman but I know I would take it seriously. However, when a pedophile made advances towards me everyone merely ignored it and later claimed they couldn’t remember anything whilst avoiding my eyes. When my friend was raped at 4 no one called the police, they just moved “silly ol’ grandpa” somewhere else. Another friend’s father raped her, her sister, and several kids in my school. When was it considered a problem with the church and police? Not when the mother reported it but when a boy did.
Thanks eelluuxx, i am just tired of Misandry. I am seeing it more and more in tv and movies. It seems that now we are having a role reversal where men are now shown as stupid incompitent and cluless. If you look at the most recent scooby doo revamp, it is horrible... while some may say that it is alright because women had it done to them first... if people want "gender equality" then give it.
I agree with this post, they say women have it harder because of babies and periods and stuff, but, I think the mans day to day is quite overwhelming. They are expected to do so much more, usually for the same pay too. Not to mention being expected to be the protecter, strong one for the family. I could NOT do that. Both women and men have it hard, we just tend to speak up more and whine about ours lol
The wage gap is a myth. It's because each job doesn't have 50/50 men and women working for it and women usually go for safer jobs which pay less so obviously their average will be less. And both men and women have different things worse. Did you know men have a higher suicide rate ? Lots of people believe men can't get raped so their complaints go unheard. And when you see a man with a rowdy child and a woman which a rowdy child, who would you think the kidnapper would be ? The man probably. And in court cases, such as divorce or child custody, the women usually get the better end of it.
It's 12:30 my time. A.M. I don't have enough typing left in me to counter your seemingly endless errors/misjudgments. And quite frankly, I don't care if you're opinion's wrong or not. I wouldn't care if it wasn't wrong. All I know is that I'm not dating any man who thinks that hitting me or grabbing or staring at my breasts is okay, and maybe sexual selection will work things out that way. I'm trying to be a diplomat here. I'm trying to be polite. I'm sorry if I'm failing. But that's all I have to say.
And it's 2:43 my time. And no one said that men having some things worse is an excuse to let him abuse and harass you. Anyone doing anything horrible to anyone is wrong and should be brought up to the proper authorities ( or just call them out if they're looking at you in a way they don't like ) all I was saying was that some things men have worse and some things women have worse.
Oh. Then we share that opinion. I think that men and women both have it rough (because we're all people and life isn't easy, whether it's because you just got beat up in a parking lot, or because you just got hospitalized for period cramps) but that we have it hard in different ways. It's so easy to look at the other gender and say, "oh. Men don't have to wear make up, or deal with boobs, or have periods" or "women don't have to work 9 hours a day because they can just get a man to provide for them, and they don't have to work with these assholes, and why the fuck do they have to be so complicated?" But really, life just hates everyone equally. There's true equality in that I suppose XD
There was something on this site ( I forgot what meme it was ) and it said that equal rights is about having equal opportunities, not equal outcomes. also, as far as I know, religion caused women to be treated second class. Let's take vikings for example. The women were treated pretty much equally and they could divorce a man if they wanted. I think the same went for some Native American tribes. Then the Christians came ( nothing against them ) and converted everyone and then society became as we know it.
I'm Catholic and I agree. The bible basically either portrays women as submitting (and therefore perfect) wives, or evil temptresses sent by the devil. Eve ate the apple right off the bat, dooming humanity to a life of toil and death. Thanks, Eve. Delilah cuts Samson's hair, resulting in his defeat. Way to go. Oh, and here's a gem: Ephesians 5:22, "Wives, submit to you husbands as to The Lord." The problem is this stuff's outdated by millennia. Also, my theory (I'm not an anthropologist or anything so don't take my word for it) is that since men are physically stronger generally speaking, it was easy to get into power. Once in power, of course they didn't want to leave, and in fact, hold many positions of power today.
( and the same book to study with ) and I think the reason it was easier for men to get into power was because women had to carry the children, and they usually got married around 15 so starting to bear children around that age doesn't leave room for much ( especially since it was soooo much more dangerous then )
Abigailhobbs, if you're going to quote the Bible, don't cherry-pick. Eve did eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (apples were never mentioned) and got punished for it; having to experience childbirth pains and having to submit to her husband because she refused to submit to God. Adam also got punished and now has to work hard for everything and also has to take care of his wife because he listened to her over God. Most men still blame Eve for the first sin of man though (and they are wrong, if Adam put God first, he wouldn't have been punished, but he didn't so he was. It was Adam's own fault for disobeying God).
And Ephesians 5:22 does say for wive to submit, but Ephesians 5:25 says "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her" and 5:28, "In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself." And many men in the Bible have done horrible things, don't just single out Delilah as evil. Please actually read the Bible before you try to quote it.
Haha lol it's so true. I was only using a couple of examples (I don't go to bible school and I'm not super religious or anything) but I have a LOT of super religious people at my school and I've overheard some really sexist guys saying stuff like how women should now submit because we still owe men for what Eve did, etc. and stuff like that. I'm not saying all Christian guys think like that I'm just saying what I've heard
I'd rather just have equality, where men and women can go and do their thing independantly without feeling like, or society assuming that they NEED each other. They can then associate with each other because they WANT to, not because they are expected to.
If you're a woman, and you sleep with lots of men, you're considered easy, a whore, a slut, not worth much. That's why a women staring at a guys crotch is considered flirting, and why a man staring at a women's breast is "perverted." The guy whose getting is crotch stared at is lucky he's getting his crotch stared at. Women choose at the end of the day whether or not they'll have sex with you. All you men are just upset that they have that power.
http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html
My source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/
Even with this experience, you don't see me running around, screaming "All guys are disgusting pervs!" or something like that. I know there are assholes found in every corner of the world, with any gender, any social status. I still shiver when I remember, but even after that I don't generalize, so please, don't generalize either. And please, don't talk about stuff that you've probably never even seen happen as if it was your personal experience and a reason to bash all women just because you hate your ex.
http://m.funsubstance.com/page/outgoing/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cracked.com%2Farticle_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html
I get really pissed off when guys blame a rape case on how the girl was dressed, too! I mean, in my case, I wore a plain grey T-shirt and jeans! Nothing revealing! Also at that time, I was pretty skinny and not yet fully developed, not to mention I'm no beauty and still, at the age of 17, I haven't started using makeup or anything. Still, the creep didn't mind! I never understood how can they even blame the victim for the way she dresses. "Hurr durr she wore shorts which means she was totally asking for it." NO! Hell no! Anyone who says that should try to walk in the victim's shoes, to see how it really was. Maybe that would shut them up.
While a nugget of truth may slip through from time to time, their articles are essentially editorials that are heavily opinionated and often not balanced or unbiased.
I loved that artical. It brought a lot too light, and made some sense out of the madness.
the lovely black lady? If not you should, shes great. (Chimamanda Ngozi I think?)
Most women do not look at men's crotches,and it is a crime to touch them.....
My mom likes her work.......this is not very good post...
Girls aren't allowed to get an education in many countries
Women aren't allowed to go anywhere without a male chaperone in some middle eastern countries
Women get stoned to death for being raped in a few countries and the stone throwers aren't punished
Girls get married off at extremely young ages to much older men who rape them and take away their innocence in some countries
That said, WOMEN SHOULD NOT KICK GUYS IN THE BALLS WHEN THE GUY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG. end rant
if you were in a cab with a man who was advancing on you, you'd be scared too. Why? Because he has the physical traits to force himself on you. Now imagine that. EVERY time you see a man. Every day. For your entire life. That's how women feel everyday. Regarding earlier comments. I was four when I had a family member do that to me. But according to society, it must of been what I was wearing. It must have been my four year old body showing 'way too much'
so fuck you if you think its 'our fault' how the hell is a four y/o girl gonna know what was happening? How was I supposed to help myself and avoid it? So if you think that way, I've got something to tell you-you're a dick.