I don't think religion should be taught in schools but I do believe that there should be some time set aside for people to pray if they want to (catholic, new generation)
Atheists complain that praying is allowing Christianity to have it's way, but when no prayer is allowed, it is the Atheist who is having their way. They're okay with that, after all, it's not like they're forcing everyone to do what they want to do because they believe in their heart that they're right, oh no. Only Christians do that.
Christians are free to pray whenever. They don't need to chant or kneel. As I've heard my Christian friend say, even if you have no limbs or no voice, you can still pray.
Well Yeah all you have to do is just close your eyes and think "hey this math test is stupidly hard, can I borrow a divine cheat sheet or something?"
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· 9 years ago
Atheists don't complain wen Christians are allowed to pray, they complain when prayer is mandatory, or one religion is given greater consideration in an institution that is supposed to be secular. Don't believe everything you hear on Fox News.
I'm not talking about normal atheists. Some of my best friends are atheists.
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I could care less about what you believe as long as you dont fuck with what I believe. I'm talking about the douche atheists that are up in arms whenever they see a cross, like the ones who forced administration to remove the crosses painted onto their football helmets
Was that in a public or state school? If so, the school wasn't allowed to do that in the first place, beside the fact team members were apparently being forced to wear a religious icon that they might not have believed in.
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I don't disagree that there are some jerks out there, but fail to see the doucheyness in this one.
Public school, 2 guys painted crosses on helmets because their friend died in a wreck and they were Christian. Atheists douches made them remove the crosses
Yeah... in that context it was a bit douchey. I'm an atheist too, but I would at least have had a little damned understanding and compassion. What ever helps them in a time of crisis, let them do it.
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· 9 years ago
Yeah, this sounds like a typical case of exaggeration to make the atheists in the story look bad. Got a link to it?
Me too. We are going on a retreat today. I'mma tell the directors "i praise the all-powerful, dark lord Cthulhu and that the great one will rise again... Soon."
Well, when i said that, they took me into another room and tried to convince me that jesus is our savior and i yelled "I HAVE READ YOUR BOOKS BUT IN THEM ALL I FOUND WERE LIES!" Then ran into the bus for the rest of the day
The schools before didn't exactly "teach" religion. In the morning they would set aside a few minutes in the morning and do roll call, say a prayer, and if you live in the United States, we say the pledge of allegiance. I think they should still do it, I think if you wish to abstain, that's your choice, and I believe it should cater to all religions present in the class.
Not true, fundamentalist Christians have always tried and will continue to try to force their beliefs, dogma and morals into public schools. Always at the cost of severely handicapping the science curriculum, if it is even kept.
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Also a clear and direct violation of the establishment clause of the First Ammendment.
I agree with you to a point, I'll try too explain. I'm native American, I also identify with Christian beliefs. My people were forced into Christianity. Christians have forced their beliefs, your right! Or constitution confirms our right to religions beliefs of or choice. If you talk to some people that were actually going to school when they still had prayer, like I have then they will tell you they weren't having bible study, they just simply started the day with prayer. I'm not talking about reading a book and learning about it I'm talking about honest to God human contact with people who did it. Now I believe they should pray. I believe everyone should pray according to their own religion, and I believe if you're atheist or you don't want to pray you shouldn't have too. I can't speak of knowledge of every school, of course if you're going to a religions school they're gonna teach religion.
There's a lot of people who would still liike to see prayer start the school day, to not allow them to do so is also violating their rights too. If they want to pray they should be allowed to.
Cultural Geography and World History in my scholl both do a semester long project looking into the beliefs, origin, and other details and facts about each of the major religions. Christianity, (catholic and protestant) judaism, Islam, Hinduism, etc. Its great to learn about other religions. It'd make the world a more tolerant place.
I think it's important to learn religion in school in order to gain knowledge about several religions around the world. I think that creates understanding. However, there is a difference between teaching religion from an objective point of view and getting a lecture on how christianity (for example) is right etc.
If religion should be taught, it should be taught from an objective standpoint. Not putting any above the other, and not making any of them seem like the "true way".
If you want your religion taught to your child, see if you can get it through your church. That's my personal opinion about it. If religion is to be taught in schools, it should be a technical perspective on it. More of a study ON religionS than a study OF A religion. It would be more for a cultural/historical knowledge than anything else. People may or may not share my opinion, but this is just how I think of it
Isn't Sunday school exclusively for religion? And only Christian religions? Religion is a part of world history, and different religions play important parts in different cultures.
Ha! I was talking to my daughter about something like this the other day. She accepted Jesus (and I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of crap for this, but whatevs) and I'm teaching her to NEVER bash anyone else's beliefs. If they believe in evolution, Buda, The Great Goddess, or WHATEVER, she is to listen, to pay attention, ask questions, but never ever EVER put someone down for their beliefs...
Thank you. I guess I put too much thought about people getting up in arms about me letting a child believe in (what I heard it called before) a "fairytale man" instead of teaching her "science". I'm not forcing her to do anything EXCEPT the right thing and that is her being a decent human being.
Well, don't listen to people! You're allowing her to make her own decisions while guiding her. A lot of parents could learn a thing or two from you. :)
not gonna lie, i didn't think religion was taught in public school (i went to catholic school). I took a course in hs called world religions, and yes it was a catholic hs, but i believe that this class should also be in public schools because you may not practice that religion, but you should know a couple of facts about it so you don't sound like a total dumbass or even offend people. Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, (this is an actual question, not trying to start a debate or whatever) if one goes to catholic school, isn't the school supposed to focus on catholic stuff? same goes for if someone went to a jewish school? or a islamic school? (i know those exist) i thought you picked that kind of school because that school knows to follow your own traditions (I could be wrong, thats why im asking lol)
Not neccissarily. If a school made everything around religion, they wouldn't be doing their jobs right. Not everything revolves around religion or has some aspect of religion in it. If, though, it has a separate time(s) for religion, then that would be more reasonable.
Wow, another post that is bashing christians (we know he's not talking about the Church of Satan) combined with a fancy picture. Here, have my like fellow internet person.
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· 9 years ago
Holding christians to the same standard as everyone else is not bashing and such hysterical nonsense only undermines your credibility even further.
Their is schools where religion is taught! It's called a private parochial school in a Catholics case! I would know since I go to one! If you want your religion taught in your school then send your kid to a school where that religion is taught.
So public schools should just ignore religion in its entirety. Religion still has great philosophy & influenced history big time. That's like not acknowledging something because you don't agree with it. Evolution is still taught in public schools even though it is a theory & not everyone agrees with it.
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You don't have to agree with it, the overwhelming evidence in its favor is all that's needed.
"It's just a theory." = "I don't know what the word 'theory' means."
Oh yeah the turtle is that some people believe that in the beginning everything was water but there was a turtle.The Turtle went to the bottom and grabbed some soil and brought to the top.Some stories say that the soil spread and that was how the first land was created but some believe the turtle became the land.Im just guessing since there's a turtle
not exactly, this is the story of the Woman Who Fell From The Sky, where the pregnant woman lives on the turtle after she falls and asks various animals to dive deep into the water (because earth was nothing but water) and being her some mud, which she expanded and turned into the ground, and then her twins kids did the rest of the shit
We respect other religions. Thank you for making us sound like heartless monsters who can't accept other religions. In fact, I'm Greek Orthodox (literally exactly like catholic) and I know more about Hinduism and other religions than the people who call Catholics ignorant.
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I could care less about what you believe as long as you dont fuck with what I believe. I'm talking about the douche atheists that are up in arms whenever they see a cross, like the ones who forced administration to remove the crosses painted onto their football helmets
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I don't disagree that there are some jerks out there, but fail to see the doucheyness in this one.
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Also a clear and direct violation of the establishment clause of the First Ammendment.
"It's just a theory." = "I don't know what the word 'theory' means."