Right? And honestly the only difference is that women's nipples are actually used for something required in life. ( not so much nowadays)
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I beg to differ, back when I was transitioning, my face was ultra feminine, but I was still pre hormone so I was flat chested. I took my shirt off in public to get some sun and I forgot I was wearing makeup and had my hair done, I had alot of shocked onlookers and a cop told me I had to dress myself or he would arrest me for public indecency.
The only problem with this is that women actually care about their nipples. They're used for something instead of just derping around and the opposite sex is usually aroused by them and they are a very erogenous zone for many women so of course people would want for them to be covered up. Is it right? Maybe not, depending on your stance on it, but it's not really male privelage it's just that a male's nipples serve a totally different function , which is nothing, so no one really cares about them but a female's nipples can and do play a regular part in sexual acts (alongside various other things), so, people do care about them.
Kurukuruguy, I agree but they're just not used as often. Plus boobs in general are basically the female equivalent to balls which may play a very large part in the problem.
Male testicles are sexual organs, while female breasts are secondary sex characteristics. This puts breasts, biologically, on the same level as a man's enlarged adams apple or facial hair.
Also, if your argument is that guys are aroused by breasts, I have to point out that many girls are pretty much aroused by muscles and abs, but we don't have to cover them up.
In my opinion, they really aren't the same thing. Girls care about their breast in a way that is similiar, if not the same, as the way that boys care about the size of their penis. Female breasts, despite their other purposes, are thought of in a mostly sexual light by both men and women and while yes it's true that many women find muscles to be attractive they don't see that as being the primary purpose for the muscles whereas both men and women think of the attractiveness of breasts as being their primary purpose.
Now I am sleep deprived and deeply sorry if my comments have in any way offended someone, because that was never my intent. I didn't even expect for anyone to comment on my comment, so, I thank you for the time you spent trying to foster a debate on the subject of this post but I'm already tired of it and I have no interest in continuing this chain. So, in conclusion I stand by what I've said so far but I'm going to try to avoid adding anymore comments to this post.
Yes and I know some people may be viewing this in a work or school environment and people around them may not be accepting of this point, saying its pornagraphy
Unfortunately, if women showed their nipples in public, there would be a lot more molesting/rape. As ideal as what your saying is, it's wouldn't be executed well. Imagine being a topless woman on a subway with strangers at night. Yes, you're having equal rights, but you're also in a hell of a lot of danger.
No, I know a fair amount of men and women, and I know which group has a higher sex drive. It's very obvious. What explanation do you have for why rape is generally perpetrated by men?
Also, how often does seeing a man shirtless make women aroused?
Thats bullshit, women have just as high sex drive its just society tells a women she's a nimpho if she expresses it. What you saying is exactly the bullshit we fighting against. Our bodies are ours to do with as we please, what your saying is men have so little to no self control that if a woman was to do just as men do then you'd just have to rape us? Do you think so little of men? Can you not controll your actions? It's not about sex drive its about our bodies being viewed as only for your sexual needs or for making babies, that's all we get, is those two options. Your telling us to cover up or get raped....and that's acceptable how? How about I get to do what I want with my body and you can grow up and be a real adult human and own your shit, if you can't see a woman just being and not think about harming her then maybe it's not about the woman but you messed up views of women.
"women have just as high sex drive"
This is categorically wrong. There are multiple studies proving this, as well as it just being obvious. If you actually believe that you are delusional.
"what your(sic) saying is men have so little to no self control that if a woman was to do just as men do then you'd just have to rape us?"
I definitely didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth.
"Do you think so little of men?"
No.
"Can you not controll(sic) your actions?"
I can. Lack of control has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
"It's not about sex drive its about our bodies being viewed as only for your sexual needs or for making babies, that's all we get, is those two options."
No one was talking about this. Don't go off topic.
"Your(sic) telling us to cover up or get raped"
I am not. Again, don't put words in my mouth.
"How about I get to do what I want with my body"
You can, but action have consequences.
"you can grow up and be a real adult human and own your shit, if you can't see a woman just being and not think about harming her then maybe it's not about the woman but you messed up views of women. "
Great ad hominem there.
Garlog I've seen your posts before and you are a moron. Basically you've just told me " what you said is wrong cause I say so cause duuuur I'm a guy and I know better" those "studies" you talk about are bullshit. Speaking from an acual academic study I helped work on women have an equil if not greater sexual desire as men but derive sexual pleasure from......you know what I was going to debate every point and falicy you have stated but I just can't be fucked, your not worth it, everything you have typed has been said before by so many egotistical simpletons that I feel like a broken record. You can not be educated, because you don't want to, your happy in your ignorance, even thought it helps no one.....we 'women' are here telling you whats wrong, what happening to us, but your so damn sure your right you won't even listen. This isn't about facts and figures, it's about women being harmed, restricted and disadvantaged because of ignorance, and here you are continuing the cycle.
"Garlog I've seen your posts before and you are a moron."
More ad hominem.
"Basically you've just told me " what you said is wrong cause I say so cause duuuur"
I didn't say anything of the sort. Don't make stuff up and put words in my mouth.
"I'm a guy and I know better"
I haven't even mentioned my gender. Again, don't put words in my mouth.
"those "studies" you talk about are bullshit."
They're myriad and peer reviewed, what makes them bullshit?
"Speaking from an acual academic study I helped work on women have an equil if not greater sexual desire as men but derive sexual pleasure from"
"Speaking from an acual academic study I helped work on women have an equil if not greater sexual desire as men but derive sexual pleasure from"
What makes that study less "bullshit" than the other ones?
"you know what I was going to debate every point and falicy you have stated but I just can't be fucked"
Okay.
"your not worth it,"
Ad hominem again.
"everything you have typed has been said before by so many egotistical simpletons"
You probably see it a lot because its the truth.
"I feel like a broken record"
You feel like a broken record because other people constantly say the same thing?
"You can not be educated, because you don't want to"
I want to be educated. Educate me.
"your happy in your ignorance"
I'm very open to hearing new ideas.
"even thought it helps no one"
The truth will help everyone.
"we 'women' are here telling you whats wrong, what happening to us, but your so damn sure your right you won't even listen."
But the reality is you're (you specifically, not necessarily all women) wrong. I'm not going to say you're right when you're not.
"This isn't about facts and figures, it's about women being harmed, restricted and disadvantaged because of ignorance"
Do we not need facts and figures about women being harmed, restricted and disadvantaged in order to determine how best to fix the problem?
Blerg you answer ever comment like this, have fun with your social "interactions" and dialogue. Your obviously miles ahead of me and I should just bugger off as this "conversation" is purely mastabatory for you. Anyway, I got chocolate cake to eat. I hope your happy doing whatever you think your doing........
"Blerg you answer ever comment like this"
What?
"have fun with your social "interactions" and dialogue. "
Okay.
"Your obviously miles ahead of me and I should just bugger off"
Don't put yourself down, I never said that.
"this "conversation" is purely mastabatory for you."
No its not, I'm just correcting what you said, telling you how things really are. Wasn't that your intent with your first post? Also "mastabatory" is not a word.
"Anyway, I got chocolate cake to eat."
Cool.
"I hope your happy doing whatever you think your doing"
I'd be happier if you'd explain yourself with acting like you've been personally attacked.
"........ "
Teere's really no point in typing more than three periods in a row. It doesn't mean anything.
The problem lies in the unnecessary sexualization of female breasts. They are funcional organs, and their function is to provide sustenence for an offspring, not sexual stimulation for a man. Western society has warped the perception of breasts. In many African tribes, women walk around topless without being gawked at because breasts are not sexualized there.
That's because, in my opinion, men are more turned on by female breasts than women by male breasts. I suppose it's instinct, or maybe it's even an effect of women covering their breasts for so many centuries, because seeing naked female breasts is more uncommon than naked pillowy man bosoms.
Also, have you ever tried to run without a bra with a C cup rack? I don't recommend it, hurts like hell and your breasts would become saggy in a few weeks. Just look at the African tribeswomen. Their breasts are as flat as pancakes, which is not attractive at all. So, we are presented with a choice: have saggy boobies that don't arouse anyone so you can easily walk around topless, or have good looking boobies, but wear a bra them in order to keep them good looking?
I know I'm a little bit late on this one, but I think I have a valid point.
Female breasts are a lot more sensitive. If we were allowed to just have them hanging out in public, like guys do, it could lead for a lot more general problems, sexism and sexualization and things like that aside. I mean, on a hot summer's day where guys just go around shirtless-- if women did, I think it'd be pretty awkward. I mean, as a woman, I cringe to imagine how bad it would hurt if I was just casually walking around shirtless and tripped boobs-first onto the pavement. I myself am pretty clumsy, so I imagine that things like that would happen a lot. Having boobs just hanging out unprotected would be pretty inconvenient for us, regardless of everything else.
"society is: sexist, racist, against certain ways of life, opinionated, among other crap."
The latter half of that list is all the stuff that keeps society held together.
"like who gives a crap?"
Most people, because that's how society works.
"In the beginning of our existence, before birth we were genderless"
You mean, like, before conception?
"only men can be signed in the NHL, pretty much."
That's because women can't perform as well as men (on average, obviously).
"they have a woman's NHL but that's no pay."
That's because it's much less entertaining to watch.
"I have a dream: that society would stop controlling people's actions and opinions."
That would literally be anarchy.
"why else do you think that transgender people feel like freaks"
Because they're not normal, and that makes people uncomfortable.
"(they aren't because they're beautiful people, equal to the rest of us)"
Are ugly freaks not equal to the rest of us?
"maybe its what society needs to get things in check."
Maybe, but should a hockey player really be making that call?
"Another thing i know is that since nobody's perfect society wouldn't, but I think that most people (like woman) would want this to change."
Society=Most People. What do you think society is?
"BTW I performed better than more than half of my hockey team last year, being one of only three girls on a dudes team, under-performing?"
Why did you purposely ignore where I said "on average, obviously? If your one of the outliers that beat the statistics then good for you. Your progress will be all the more impressive because of the greater adversity you will face.
"from all woman, thanks for the insults."
It's foolish to be insulted by the truth.
"Hockey literally has more going on in it more than any other sport"
I'm not sure how this is relevant. What do you mean?
Nipples are deemed acceptable as long as you have a penis...
Now I am sleep deprived and deeply sorry if my comments have in any way offended someone, because that was never my intent. I didn't even expect for anyone to comment on my comment, so, I thank you for the time you spent trying to foster a debate on the subject of this post but I'm already tired of it and I have no interest in continuing this chain. So, in conclusion I stand by what I've said so far but I'm going to try to avoid adding anymore comments to this post.
Also, how often does seeing a man shirtless make women aroused?
This is categorically wrong. There are multiple studies proving this, as well as it just being obvious. If you actually believe that you are delusional.
"what your(sic) saying is men have so little to no self control that if a woman was to do just as men do then you'd just have to rape us?"
I definitely didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth.
"Do you think so little of men?"
No.
"Can you not controll(sic) your actions?"
I can. Lack of control has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
"It's not about sex drive its about our bodies being viewed as only for your sexual needs or for making babies, that's all we get, is those two options."
No one was talking about this. Don't go off topic.
"Your(sic) telling us to cover up or get raped"
I am not. Again, don't put words in my mouth.
"How about I get to do what I want with my body"
You can, but action have consequences.
Great ad hominem there.
More ad hominem.
"Basically you've just told me " what you said is wrong cause I say so cause duuuur"
I didn't say anything of the sort. Don't make stuff up and put words in my mouth.
"I'm a guy and I know better"
I haven't even mentioned my gender. Again, don't put words in my mouth.
"those "studies" you talk about are bullshit."
They're myriad and peer reviewed, what makes them bullshit?
"Speaking from an acual academic study I helped work on women have an equil if not greater sexual desire as men but derive sexual pleasure from"
"Speaking from an acual academic study I helped work on women have an equil if not greater sexual desire as men but derive sexual pleasure from"
What makes that study less "bullshit" than the other ones?
"you know what I was going to debate every point and falicy you have stated but I just can't be fucked"
Okay.
"your not worth it,"
Ad hominem again.
You probably see it a lot because its the truth.
"I feel like a broken record"
You feel like a broken record because other people constantly say the same thing?
"You can not be educated, because you don't want to"
I want to be educated. Educate me.
"your happy in your ignorance"
I'm very open to hearing new ideas.
"even thought it helps no one"
The truth will help everyone.
"we 'women' are here telling you whats wrong, what happening to us, but your so damn sure your right you won't even listen."
But the reality is you're (you specifically, not necessarily all women) wrong. I'm not going to say you're right when you're not.
"This isn't about facts and figures, it's about women being harmed, restricted and disadvantaged because of ignorance"
Do we not need facts and figures about women being harmed, restricted and disadvantaged in order to determine how best to fix the problem?
What?
"have fun with your social "interactions" and dialogue. "
Okay.
"Your obviously miles ahead of me and I should just bugger off"
Don't put yourself down, I never said that.
"this "conversation" is purely mastabatory for you."
No its not, I'm just correcting what you said, telling you how things really are. Wasn't that your intent with your first post? Also "mastabatory" is not a word.
"Anyway, I got chocolate cake to eat."
Cool.
"I hope your happy doing whatever you think your doing"
I'd be happier if you'd explain yourself with acting like you've been personally attacked.
"........ "
Teere's really no point in typing more than three periods in a row. It doesn't mean anything.
Also, have you ever tried to run without a bra with a C cup rack? I don't recommend it, hurts like hell and your breasts would become saggy in a few weeks. Just look at the African tribeswomen. Their breasts are as flat as pancakes, which is not attractive at all. So, we are presented with a choice: have saggy boobies that don't arouse anyone so you can easily walk around topless, or have good looking boobies, but wear a bra them in order to keep them good looking?
Female breasts are a lot more sensitive. If we were allowed to just have them hanging out in public, like guys do, it could lead for a lot more general problems, sexism and sexualization and things like that aside. I mean, on a hot summer's day where guys just go around shirtless-- if women did, I think it'd be pretty awkward. I mean, as a woman, I cringe to imagine how bad it would hurt if I was just casually walking around shirtless and tripped boobs-first onto the pavement. I myself am pretty clumsy, so I imagine that things like that would happen a lot. Having boobs just hanging out unprotected would be pretty inconvenient for us, regardless of everything else.
The latter half of that list is all the stuff that keeps society held together.
"like who gives a crap?"
Most people, because that's how society works.
"In the beginning of our existence, before birth we were genderless"
You mean, like, before conception?
"only men can be signed in the NHL, pretty much."
That's because women can't perform as well as men (on average, obviously).
"they have a woman's NHL but that's no pay."
That's because it's much less entertaining to watch.
"I have a dream: that society would stop controlling people's actions and opinions."
That would literally be anarchy.
Because they're not normal, and that makes people uncomfortable.
"(they aren't because they're beautiful people, equal to the rest of us)"
Are ugly freaks not equal to the rest of us?
"maybe its what society needs to get things in check."
Maybe, but should a hockey player really be making that call?
"Another thing i know is that since nobody's perfect society wouldn't, but I think that most people (like woman) would want this to change."
Society=Most People. What do you think society is?
"BTW I performed better than more than half of my hockey team last year, being one of only three girls on a dudes team, under-performing?"
Why did you purposely ignore where I said "on average, obviously? If your one of the outliers that beat the statistics then good for you. Your progress will be all the more impressive because of the greater adversity you will face.
It's foolish to be insulted by the truth.
"Hockey literally has more going on in it more than any other sport"
I'm not sure how this is relevant. What do you mean?