This is about as BS as anything can get. We created poison gas, flamethrowers(Now there's a nice one.Hey, I wanna set those guys over there on fire. Can we get a weapon for that?) and this post just said every sniper or bomber pilot/drone commander didn't know the "Rule"
i think those are typically a different scenario, people that you need dead vs just enemy soldiers not that different than you in a normal firefight that you just want to be unable to fight you any more. and i would imagine even the snipers choose to neutralize with nondeadly force plenty of times when its situationally applicable.
I have a hard time believing this. If someone is trying to kill me im not going to shoot them in the kneecap im gona make damn sure they cant kill me or my comrades
Tha'ts actually pretty common. He isn't shooting that way, just steadying it so he can see clearer at a farther distance. Sometimes the scopes have MILs or something on them to help them judge distance.
Sure when kill the enemy it gives the others on his side more ammo and another firearm, but when you wound them, it also takes up several people on their side to treat him and get him out of the fight. There is a tactical advantage of this, not to mention the blow to morale.
Exactly, the point is to 'neutralize' the enemy, make it so they can't fight back. Which a lot of times has the same meaning as 'killing' the enemy but not always. Neutralize is just a more inclusive term that shows they are fighting in war with honor.
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You're missing what I'm saying. This post says you don't shoot to kill.... I'm saying you always shoot to kill
Rules of engagement dictate that if they have a weapon, look dangerous and are able to be dangerous, they will be incapacitated. We don't shoot to kill, we shoot to stop. If they don't stop, they die. Adrenaline and drugs do crazy things to enemy combatants. What would I know, though. I'm just in the military.
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Yeah because anyone else who is enlisted says "I'm just in the military" instead of their branch...
I'm a Seabee in the navy. I didn't realize I needed to declare that. Need my rate, too? What about my warfare qualifications? C-schools, collateral duties, etc.? My point stands, we shoot until they stop, if that includes them passing away, so be it, but we don't necessarily shoot to kill, that's more or less a by product of our methods.
One dead enemy mean one less enemy. One wounded enemy means at least three less enemies. The wounded and the two that carry him to safety. Plus there is a added drain on resources with a wounded combatant. This is the idea behind landmines.
True, but generally that's a tactic that only works in symetrical, conventional warfare against a defined and disciplined enemy. Against terrorists and insurgents, not so much.
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In the sort of environments it is likely to engage insurgents en mass, an incapacitating wound is still likely to be fatal. Not to mention that he is far more likely to be left behind to die by his fellow insurgents, maybe even be mercy killed.
I an urban environment where you encounter a single active cell, it is a suicide mission for them anyway.
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Bottom line: Terrorist? Shoot to kill. The captured ones become a drain on resources, a rallying point for the movement and a public martyr if sentenced to death.
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Law enforcement and military both shoot to kill not shoot to wound plain and simple. Shoot to wound is too unpredictable in stopping a threat. The one difference in law enforcement and military is police have less than lethal options for lower risk such as a drunk with a small knife or unarmed. Police will use their taser or pepper spray.
This has to be a troll. No where in any of my training was I ever taught to hit any thing but center mass. If the order to engage is given, you shoot to kill. If you don't believe me, join the armed forces or local law enforcement.
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In the sort of environments it is likely to engage insurgents en mass, an incapacitating wound is still likely to be fatal. Not to mention that he is far more likely to be left behind to die by his fellow insurgents, maybe even be mercy killed.
I an urban environment where you encounter a single active cell, it is a suicide mission for them anyway.
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Bottom line: Terrorist? Shoot to kill. The captured ones become a drain on resources, a rallying point for the movement and a public martyr if sentenced to death.