WLTH 103: i should try to grab some berkeley riot memes

Yea, most people are straight you know. It's natural for most people to assume their child's straight so it's not like they're intentionally forcing anyone to be straight or not cause that's something the person in question gets to decide

Just because the majority is a certain way doesn't mean it should be assumed that everyone is that way. For example, the majority of the world is male. Does that mean everyone is male? No. Likewise for sexuality. The majority is straight, but that does not mean you should assume everyone is straight until they say otherwise.

How about we don't push kids to be romantic or have relationships? Let them have just friends...

No, it's what happens along with the genitalia.
Like, say, the brain structure, natural strength, ability to naturally give birth, yadda yadda ya.

"Gender - the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones)." Thats the literal definition

Then how the hell, using that definition, can you be any gender other than male or female?

because it's been proven to be a spectrum, which includes the possibility of being neither.

It's not a spectrum because not everyone fit perfectly within the image of the 'greatest man' or 'greatest woman', but they seem to forget that the only criteria required to be a woman is:
1. Have a vagina.
Same thing with men:
1. Have a penis.
This whole this is just made up to make people feel special. Just because some days I feel like wearing salmon and other days blue, doesn't make me genderfluid.

Who proved it? And how?

I really don't think you are even listening to me, or trying to comprehend what I'm saying. Gender is a literally proven construct of the mind. the fact that you won't even open your mind enough to comprehend what I'm saying shows just how closed minded you are. Im listening to you, and you're puling up questions that are easily answered, or statements that don't make sense at all.

Who proved it? And how?

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/
Harvard.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/challenging-gender-identity-biologists-say-gender-expands-across-spectrum-rather-323956
these guys too

I can accept gay, I can accept trans. I've backed both from the start. But everything else is too inconsistent or abnormal to be anything but a mental illness or a grab for attention.

How is it proven?
BuzzFeed?
Huffington Post?
Bill Nye?
Not one of them has made a single credible source.
The best you've got is a washed-up engineer who made everyone believe he's a science guy when he had little to no credible sources, except an ice-cream orgy.

Harvard link doesn't prove anything, it's premise assumes you're correct, rather than proving it.
And the second link concerns abnormal genitalia, rather than our argument.

And it goes on a rarity, 1 in 15,000 people is not an argument

https://www.genderspectrum.org/quick-links/understanding-gender/ here's another link then that quotes their sources and i feel like it explains the spectrum well.

in fact here is a link with their sources backed at the bottom of the page, and goes into the brain to explain it http://www.theplaidzebra.com/science-finally-supports-that-we-are-all-born-as-blank-slates-and-gender-is-merely-a-construct/

and one more thing, 1 in 15,000 people is still 5,333,334 people in the world. they exist and deserve to be recognized

The link at the top literally is just like the others .
The link at the bottom goes on about hippocampi, which we already know is the same size but that proves nothing.
Finally, that many people still cannot prove that sex is fluid.

sex is not fluid. gender is not sex. the two links are both different and do go in depth, you're just not opening your mind to the idea. The second link proves that are gender, biologically does not coincide with our sex. not that hard to understand

Just because hurr durr I'm a guy and I don't want to lift or hurr Durr I'm not your average girl?

what does that have to do with anything? i think you're running out of legit reasons to argue. we are having a debate, lets do it like adults, not like assholes.

Yet you're the one using weak arguments with even weaker sources.

and you're the one not making an effort to consider what I'm saying. again, here's a source from national geographic http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/01/how-science-helps-us-understand-gender-identity/
If you have a better source that isn't just "Boys have a penis girls have a vagina!!!11!!", Xy and XX chromosomes (which there are more than just those two combinations) and doesn't revolve around religion, go ahead and send it

Give me an hour, my computer blocks the actual factual article I need to crush you with.
And when the hell have I used religion?

I'm just stating that to say religion isn't a credible source. Your school computer probably blocks it because it's not credible sources. Im on a school computer too, and my sources haven't been blocked because they are considered credible sources by our schools censors. if you haven't noticed, the majority of sources defending gender as not a binary are generally conservative leaning sites that believe in alternative facts.

and wow, heres another link that talks about the science of it as well as statistics, genetics, chromosomes, and credible sources for their claims
http://www.tolerance.org/gender-spectrum

you know what, i actually have questions for you. Why is it so hard for you to just be accepting of other people? It doesn't hurt you to call someone their preferred pronouns, it doesn't hurt you to validate them, so why do you oppose and oppress these people who have done nothing to hurt you? why can't you let them be themselves in a sense as simple as whether male or female? Unless they identify as a fucking dragon or notebook sheet, there is no reason for you to try and tell these people their entire personality isn't real.

1. If someone accepted something that was a blantant, confusing lie lie, would you sit there and attempt to not help?
2. I'm not taking the time out of my life to learn made up words just to make people happy.
3.You're twisting that question. I never said someone couldn't be male or female. Just has to be either one.
4. If your gender is your entire personality, then that's pathetic and I'm not even sure God can help you.

Read the article.
1. One source that had a study to it, other wise just a bunch of self-help single mom books.
2. The only source was a curveball and used trans kids, but didn't include gender non-conforming.
3. Said NOTHING about genetics. nor chromosomes in the entire article.
4. Thanks for slapping a kid on it to attempt to make me feel bad.
5. Schools don't block these sites because they're 'inclusive' or 'safe spaces'

Just the URLs of those sources prove they're heavily biased.

@serosenpai
1. who they are is not a lie
2. there are no made up words. all fords used in legit gender confrontation is in the english language
3. i never twisted your question, you are very obviously biased in the sense of sex=gender, so whatever is in between your legs is your gender
4. gender is who you are. your personality is who you are.

1. they did dress genetics in biological terms. the second one is about tolerance, something people need to learn, including you.
2. They used trans kids because the majority of assholes only know trans kids and pay no attention to non-conforming genders
3. yes they did not mention chromosomes, but they did address biological sex.
4. i didn't slap a kid on it to make you feel bad. it's called using examples of actual people that you really need to be reminded about
5. schools block biased and non credible sources of information for the reasons of reports on current events

Huh, no smarmy source that was an exact copy of the others, only more verbose

its called answering your questions uwu so where's your link to your sources then?

@nyantastic Correct. After commenting, I did some research.

http://judgybitch.com/2016/04/28/there-are-only-two-genders/
http://judgybitch.com/2016/04/28/there-are-only-two-genders/
https://youtu.be/rnQbgShb6r8
It took me SO long to find a way to copy paste

There doesn't need to be a name for everything. There are just two sexes, and from what I have seen, gender is something different.

Yes, but communication is key. If you have no words for your gender....
It's almost like it doesn't exist.

There should be a name for the genders, just not the fake ones.

There is!
Male and Female.

Thank you
After this argument can we finally conclude the argument that there is only two genders

@serosenpai both of those links were just the same website that doesn't base anything off of science, just traditional opinions and sexist overtones. Blaire White also isn't a legible source, even if she is transgender. I gave you educated sources from harvard and national geographic, and you gave links from a website called "judgeybitch"

I thought we let this die.
I'm not going to argue anymore​

this dies when i die, bye bye

1/15,000 converts to approximately 467,000 worldwide, not 5.3 million.

8 billion people in the world
8,000,000,000/15,000=533333.333333
rounded, thats 533,333
i had miscounted, but it is still rather large number that is still legible
all people are legible to be counted for in social records

I used 7 billion.

Turns out we were both wrong. It is 7.5 billion.

eh, oh well, its a pretty close margin between the two number, we can just round and take or add 7,500 people

nor·mal
ˈnôrməl
adjective
1.
conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.

"its not normal" that means literally fucking nothing. You mean gay people arent the majority? fucking obviously. Of course it's reasonable to assume that your kid is straight, the huge majority are. And of course you shouldnt be confusing children about sexuality when they are very young. But you're saying we shouldn't encourage children to be "not normal?" We should encourage them to follow whatever the fuck they are without bias. I don't know what you mean by "normal" but it sounds like you look down upon gay people to me. And btw, the population is always rising with less and less people dying due to advancement in technology. So we don't even want everyone producing offspring. Furthermore, many animals in nature have sexual relations. Gay people are "not normal," but you're definitely not homophobic. uh huh

It's not a mental disorder and it doesn't "go against biology." What do you even mean by that? Its a naturally occuring tendency... heres a list of all the animals we know of that have homosecual tendencies in case you still want to say it isnt natural. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
Btw I apologize for labeling you a homophobe, I don't think you look down on gay people anymore but it definitely isn't a mental disorder.

We are "meant to be" straight? Things just are. And sometimes animals are hetero and sometimes homosexual. We don't even need or neccesarily want everyone breeding because as I already said there's so many humans and as less and less die as time progresses, unless some event kills a significant amount of the world population or something one day population might be a problem

*sigh* I think just disagreed on vague terminology. I find the way you phrased a lot of what you said very misleading from what I think you meant by it. I think we actually agree for the most part. what a useless argument lol. Btw I'm not the one downvoting you

Well, labels can be useful or necessary at times, but they can get out of hand and it definitely isn't a black and white contrast.
Btw I don't think the vegan example works though lol, they're morally opposed to eating steak, it's not a matter of if they want to or not

But eating meat as a vegan would be inconsistent with their morals. Yes were naturally omnivores but vegans find eating meat immoral

Well that's just stupid fake people with low self esteem... I meant actual vegans who don't eat meat bc they find it immoral