call me a pessimist, but the second that girl got her paper signed by Dan and Phil was the second when she instantly became the minority. I can love Michael Jones, Ray Narvaez, Gavin Free, Geoff Ramsey, Ryan Haywood, Jack Patillo and Jeremy Dooley until the cows come home (and believe me, I really fucking do) but that doesn't mean they'll ever know I exist.
I got my favorite YouTuber to comment on a Reddit post where I called him attractive, but within ten minutes I'm gone from his mind.
Especially because he deleted his Reddit account some months later.
Mary just got lucky. This message is not empowering at all.
edit: my comment has been up for literally less than thirty seconds and I've already been downvoted. if all you can do is downvote and not actually give an opinion, it's like you've done nothing at all.
edit the second; now this has been downvoted too. once again, you don't really have a valid argument if all you do is downvote and move on. I'm willing to debate this subject with someone if they're willing to actually say something
my point is that while I don't have an autograph or anything, one of my favorite YouTubers did agree with me when I called him pretty (because he is), but at the end of the day I still don't matter to him. I'm one in the sea of 2.7 million people and as a result I don't think he even remembers making that comment, which is something I'm ok with.
A tad pragmatic for my tastes, but it's a good counter weight to the idea that we can all be "the exception to the rule." Anything is possible, not probable. They say "shoot for the moon, if you miss you'll still be among the stars!" The pessimist says "or you'll float endlessly through space and run out of air." The scientist says "with proper preparations, risk management, and calculations you should not miss the moon. If you do the plotted trajectory can sling shot you around the moon and you can either return to earth and try again, or rely on your extra supplies to get you to mars." Maybe that Youtuber barely noticed you, or maybe at that moment in life you told them just what they needed to hear and even if they don't remember you exactly, you helped them through a bad time and are now part of their story. In absence of concrete fact we have simply whatever we choose to believe as most probable. Having myself been touched by a strangers small kindness before, it's possible.
I was like that to Jeremy until I realized Ray is not coming back. Also, once again, downvoting those whom you disagree with is not equal to providing a decent rebuttal to my statement and you're still not saying anything important.
Honestly, I never watched AH for Ray. After he left, I followed him to Twitch and watch him there. I don't watch any AH or LP stuff anymore. It just isn't funny, it all seems forced and like a day job for them.
And Jack has been a POS from day 1, IMO
And, to your original point, I agree. They are just another fan coming through. It's great, but, odds are, you will not be remembered or make a lasting impression on them. And it seems somewhat like yelling "notice me!"
I just can't watch a stream. It moves too slowly. I cannot do it.
You're not doing anything of essence to a conversation if all you can do is downvote it, so I'm calling it here: there is no clear opposition to my point by means of a civil disagreement so everyone agrees with me.
I completely understand the slow stream. For me it has to be something I like or am interested in. There are a lot of games that are extremely boring and I find something else. Quite often I'll just put it on to have some noise in the background.
Alright so there is clearly someone that is following the post specifically to downvote me. I'm so sorry that your life is so boring and empty that you find genuine entertainment in downvoting comments without having the mental capacity to actually respond to them. Hopefully you can find a decent hobby or something.
@rosebud
I've got two points to make.
Firstly, I completely agree with your original statement. The fact that they got it signed doesn't mean that they really mean anything to Dan and Phil. The guys just signed a piece of paper. They have millions of fans, they sign papers all day when they're on a con. It's good to meet your idols and I'm really not trying to take it from anyone that they can actually become friends with their idols as well, however let's be realistic, a signed piece of paper isn't really proof that you mean something to them.
Secondly, I hate people who downvote without saying why as well. It just shows that they have no valid argument to make. If you disagree with someone and can't even say why, you're either too lazy to participate in a discussion or your arguments are not principled and coherent enough to be formed in a comment, in which case I'm sorry for you and you should sort things out in your head.
@ewqua
I appreciate that. I've never been to a concert or a book signing or anything. The only thing that has happened to me is that one YouTuber commented on my Reddit post eight months ago. He has zero idea I exist. If you got your picture signed, more power to you, but don't expect your YouTuber to know you specifically as anything more than a fan, if he even knows you exist at all.
The random downvoter is probably some random fuck who got a slip of paper signed by someone and thinks that celebrity remembers them personally. Hate to break it to you, but you're not worth jack shit to that guy. Unless you exchanged phone numbers and stay up all night catching up, you should come to terms with the fact that, while your autograph is great if it comes from an idol, you cannot say you're that idol's friend or pal or anything.
Exactly. As I said, doesn't mean that the person can't one day actually befriend their idol, but a signed piece of paper isn't proof of anything. It's like saying "My favourite artist sold me their signed piece of art, how special I am!" No, idiot, that's what they do, it's their job.
And it seems that the downvote stalker is on my back too. Hey asshole, don't you have anything better to do? Or is your life really filled with so much hate and bitterness that you just downvote other people's civil discussions?
Everyone acts like I'm being ridiculous for disagreeing with the post, and that everyone that disagrees with me is literally an angel or something. This makes literally zero sense.
Especially since they have no arguments, just their own wishful thinking. I guess not everyone prefers the ugly truth from the pretty lies they tell themselves.
Time to put on my old man hat and start my musings. From the billions down to millions down to thousands down to one. A countless sea of people, most who have no name and never will. They are as forgettable to you as they are to each other. The tiny ripples of their lives fade out long before they reach yours. And then you see the one who stands out, who commands your attention and draws you in. A sparked connection takes place, just as fleeting, it's gone, but forever burned brightly into your soul. I'm speaking of Mary of course, don't even know who Dan and Phil are. Her goal was to meet them and she did. To say such a lowly goal shouldn't even count just shows what a fool you are. Brushing the fringes of greatness is a far loftier achievement than bitterly claiming that only to be made equal will life be satisfying. Just as Simeon was with the infant Jesus, Mary had a life goal come true against all odds. It's empowering because who here can say the same?
I'm saying that while Mary is happy that she got a signature, it's not realistic because not everyone will be able to do. She's in the minority here. The post acts as if Jack is wrong for saying that it's not realistic, when in actuality he's right. How many people can say that they got a signature from their idols? Not many. So it's not realistic.
I thought your point in the beginning was right, and then you stopped making sense when you said that being in the minority is empowering. You're going to be forgotten about by the idol.
Sure, it's cool to get a signature, but being realistic here, how many people are actually able to?
And really, look at the post again. It perpetuates the idea that out of millions of subscribers, a famous YouTuber will notice you and you will be near and dear to his heart for the rest of your life. This is so fake and inaccurate that I honestly don't understand how any of you can actually believe it.
Is it realistic to say that someone famous actually cares about you? Of course not. So why is everyone on my case for saying that Jack is right? If anything, Mary is wrong for implying Jack is unreasonable.
I downvoted you because you are very eager to be pessimistic and mean about a post that tried to be uplifting about a situation that can make people feel lonely and unheard.
And I'm commenting so you know the reason for the downvote.
I hope that helps you to understand why.
Let someone be happy about an autograph from someone they like. No need to take away the magic.
<3
So what if I don't like the post's message? What's the deal? I'm saying that Mary got lucky and not everyone else would be in a situation like this.
The reason I commented was because the post seems like Jack is being an unreasonable asshole when he is the only one who is right.
Honestly, the fact that it took you two days and a very long comment chain to even consider saying anything still doesn't make sense. I literally said I'm willing to debate the topic with you and you still refused to do it, choosing to silently say that you disagree without backing it up in any way. Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't think I'm in the wrong for being realistic, and that you still don't have much of an argument considering you cannot really debate this topic with me with the three comments a guest can have per day.
Are we done here? Am I still literally Satan for disagreeing with one post about a positive message? I've made a ton of other posts with positive messages. I simply disagree with this one on a simple and uncomplicated principle. I'm not evil for doing so, and I'm not understanding why everyone acts as though I am.
It's one picture with one message that I disagree with. It's not the end of the world.
If someone could actually have a conversation wit me about this instead of a ten sentence paragraph with nothing else, this would be ten times smoother for everyone, instead of just blindly downvoting just because I said a trigger word or something else that you simply despise.
Rose, you could have said your point as politely as reality would allow, and still youd be downvoted because you expressed an opinion that wasnt a sugar coated falsehood. Thus is the way of the internet.
That makes sense. People are quick to anger here. I'm not innocent of that, but still, I just want people to understand that we don't always have to agree. We're all people that should be capable of disagreement. Is it really a big deal for me to disagree with the social norm?
The problem arises when people think of disagreement as a personal challenge to prove their opinion right when, really, its just a different way of looking at a situation.
I just wanted to say nobody owes you an explanation for a downvote. You seem to be taking them quite personally when really somebody just disagrees with you but doesn't want to get into it.
@lindsay
When I see a downvote, I'm just curious to know why.
What did I say that caused you to disagree? Is there something about my vocabulary that I should change?
Other times, like this one, when I see a downvote, I would like to have a conversation over it. That's really not expecting much, is it? I'm not saying that "if you do downvote me, you owe me a conversation, otherwise you're an asshole", but at the same time, you're not contributing anything to the conversation even though everyone else is. It's like, why downvote if being asked to explain yourself is too much?
I understand that you wish to have a conversation with them, but just because you want to debate a subject doesn't mean everybody does. Some simply want to say they disagree and move on just as those who upvote just wanted to say they agree and move on.
So they signed a piece of paper, they still don't know you exist. If they remember anything about your interaction it's merely "hey remember that one fan that had us sign Screenshots"
I got my favorite YouTuber to comment on a Reddit post where I called him attractive, but within ten minutes I'm gone from his mind.
Especially because he deleted his Reddit account some months later.
Mary just got lucky. This message is not empowering at all.
edit the second; now this has been downvoted too. once again, you don't really have a valid argument if all you do is downvote and move on. I'm willing to debate this subject with someone if they're willing to actually say something
And Jack has been a POS from day 1, IMO
You're not doing anything of essence to a conversation if all you can do is downvote it, so I'm calling it here: there is no clear opposition to my point by means of a civil disagreement so everyone agrees with me.
I've got two points to make.
Firstly, I completely agree with your original statement. The fact that they got it signed doesn't mean that they really mean anything to Dan and Phil. The guys just signed a piece of paper. They have millions of fans, they sign papers all day when they're on a con. It's good to meet your idols and I'm really not trying to take it from anyone that they can actually become friends with their idols as well, however let's be realistic, a signed piece of paper isn't really proof that you mean something to them.
Secondly, I hate people who downvote without saying why as well. It just shows that they have no valid argument to make. If you disagree with someone and can't even say why, you're either too lazy to participate in a discussion or your arguments are not principled and coherent enough to be formed in a comment, in which case I'm sorry for you and you should sort things out in your head.
I appreciate that. I've never been to a concert or a book signing or anything. The only thing that has happened to me is that one YouTuber commented on my Reddit post eight months ago. He has zero idea I exist. If you got your picture signed, more power to you, but don't expect your YouTuber to know you specifically as anything more than a fan, if he even knows you exist at all.
The random downvoter is probably some random fuck who got a slip of paper signed by someone and thinks that celebrity remembers them personally. Hate to break it to you, but you're not worth jack shit to that guy. Unless you exchanged phone numbers and stay up all night catching up, you should come to terms with the fact that, while your autograph is great if it comes from an idol, you cannot say you're that idol's friend or pal or anything.
And it seems that the downvote stalker is on my back too. Hey asshole, don't you have anything better to do? Or is your life really filled with so much hate and bitterness that you just downvote other people's civil discussions?
I thought your point in the beginning was right, and then you stopped making sense when you said that being in the minority is empowering. You're going to be forgotten about by the idol.
Sure, it's cool to get a signature, but being realistic here, how many people are actually able to?
Is it realistic to say that someone famous actually cares about you? Of course not. So why is everyone on my case for saying that Jack is right? If anything, Mary is wrong for implying Jack is unreasonable.
And I'm commenting so you know the reason for the downvote.
I hope that helps you to understand why.
Let someone be happy about an autograph from someone they like. No need to take away the magic.
<3
The reason I commented was because the post seems like Jack is being an unreasonable asshole when he is the only one who is right.
Honestly, the fact that it took you two days and a very long comment chain to even consider saying anything still doesn't make sense. I literally said I'm willing to debate the topic with you and you still refused to do it, choosing to silently say that you disagree without backing it up in any way. Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't think I'm in the wrong for being realistic, and that you still don't have much of an argument considering you cannot really debate this topic with me with the three comments a guest can have per day.
It's one picture with one message that I disagree with. It's not the end of the world.
If someone could actually have a conversation wit me about this instead of a ten sentence paragraph with nothing else, this would be ten times smoother for everyone, instead of just blindly downvoting just because I said a trigger word or something else that you simply despise.
When I see a downvote, I'm just curious to know why.
What did I say that caused you to disagree? Is there something about my vocabulary that I should change?
Other times, like this one, when I see a downvote, I would like to have a conversation over it. That's really not expecting much, is it? I'm not saying that "if you do downvote me, you owe me a conversation, otherwise you're an asshole", but at the same time, you're not contributing anything to the conversation even though everyone else is. It's like, why downvote if being asked to explain yourself is too much?