This is terrible.
The fact that you have to accuse before accused is saddening and only promotes either never having sex or being a hermit all your life.
"An epic poem, epic, epos, or epopee is a lengthy narrative poem, ordinarily concerning a serious subject containing details of heroic deeds and events significant to a culture or nation." - Wikipedia.
I dunno, sounds like an epic story to me
The culture of men of course! For hundreds of centuries, these alien creatures have opposed and oppressed mankind! Now it's our time to strike back at these evil villains!
The upper lip that has been recently waxed ? Your lies have caught up to you again, villain !
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· 6 years ago
Dear god! A being that purposely rips their very follicles out from the cavity of their skin, how excruciatingly sickening for a mere delicate flower of Earth will not pick her petals but you yours with willingness???
Human trash. It’s not alright for a woman to fake a sexual assault, and it isn’t “revenge” for a man to do it. It just undermines a system meant to help legitimate victims. Sad. Pathetic.
If it was drunken on both ends, sounds like neither of them would be to blame. If the guy had a reason to believe that she would report him, then he was either guilty of it or she threatened him with it.
So if I understand this classic wisdom- If someone robs someone else- you should go rob someone who had nothing to do with it. That will bring ballance back to things? Or if a woman kills a man in Florida, a man should then go kill a woman in France to “even the score?”
Not in a more widespread case such as the idea about the murders on Florida in France, but more so as in being quicker on the punch than the other person, not as a retaliatory measure to a grievance you yourself have suffered. It's the case of two children who break something, and both race to get to their parents to get the blame placed on the other to escape possible punishment. It's a joke in of itself, but I'm not laughing.
Unless that particular woman filed false charges herself, there is nothing to celebrate. The idea is that nobody's life should be ruined, not that the ratio should be 50/50
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· 6 years ago
The only reason this could (stress the could) be good is if people finally realize that regret sex and mutually drunk sex aren't actually rape, and the rules and lives ruined change because of it.
I'm just hoping if they change, the rules aren't rewritten in such a way as to make them worse by saying only men can be considered the rapists in these cases.
As a society we do have a bias in rape to down play rape or assault against men, or to assume the man is the sexual predator and the woman is the victim. If we want to change that though- the way to do it is to encourage and advocate male victims of assault in coming forward and getting justice, not to use sexual assault laws as preemptive defense against the exercise of sexual assault laws. If he had stepped forward because he felt taken advantage of that would be one thing- but to bring criminal charges against another person that can stick with them their entire life simply to make a political statement is deeply wrong. Good built on bad is like a tooth with rot. Looks good on the surface, but problems are waiting and destroying it is much easier.
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· 6 years ago
It's entirely possible that he was doing this as "revenge," for all the times the shoe has been on the other foot. Had I woken up in his shoes though, knowing about those other times, I probably would have been terrified that my life would be ruined. Maybe I would have gone to Title IX too to cover my own ass.
Whatever his motivation, here we are. Hopefully we get to "beyond a reasonable," doubt as the standard of proof for Title IX. Then maybe this stupidity will stop.
It is sadly not so simple. If you set the burden of proof too low on a crime, innocent people can become victims of false accusations. If you set it too high though- rape becomes almost impossible to prosecute. How do you prove beyond all doubt something like a verbal or non spoken threat? How do you prove when two people were alone and one says they both said yes at the time, and the other says they didn’t- who is lying? If force or traceable drugs weren’t used and a medical examination wasn’t done immediately- how do you prove rape? What of sexual assault which doesn’t require penetration and may leave no traces and have no witnesses save for the accused and accuser? In a system where one has little to fear even if they commit blatant sexual assault- how do you penalize said assault and have it not be on the “honor system”?
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· 6 years ago
Not beyond all doubt, beyond reasonable doubt. It's a high burden of proof to be sure, but unless we come up with a new standard between that and preponderance of evidence, I'll go with that nearly every-time when it comes to decisions that can ruin lives. Maybe lesser punishments could be enforced if only preponderance of evidence is met, but not as strict as we see in this case or others.
Too high a burden of proof and no victim sees justice. Too low and victims may see justice, but wrongfully accused persons will be punished with very little evidence. It's never going to be perfect, so we've got to accept that either some criminals will go unpunished, or some innocents will have their lives destroyed. It's not pretty, but it's life.
I'd certainly prefer a proper investigation with "beyond..." as the standard, even if it leads no where, than simply a race to be the first one through the door. But that's just my 2¢.
There’s a middle ground I’m sure. No matter what we do some innocents will be punished by the system, and some guilty will go free. The point is to minimize one while maximizing the other. Rape and sexual assault are relatively unique crimes in this regard as they are crimes involving an emotion. One must feel forced, or feel violated. It isn’t as simple as theft or murder where the crime itself is the evidence. Take this example of complexity- if we say that any drunk person having sex by default can’t give consent- and two drunk people have sex- who is the rapist? But if we say it can’t be rape of both people were drunk- all a rapist must do is claim to be drunk and then have sex with a drunk person. How do you prove beyond reasonable doubt a day or days later if a person was or wasn’t drunk? If proof must be beyond reasonable doubt- any two people alone are still at risk of assault. It becomes very easy to game the system and get away with rape.
The current system is broken and flawed, but the answer isn’t to require a signed affidavit or several eye witnesses to confirm your uncle said to give him a BJ or he’d kill your dog or your boss said to show your genitals or be fired for some unrelated reason etc. crimes like sexual assault tend to exist in the dark, they tend to happen when people aren’t looking, and even when they are and abuses are rampant- the Harvey’s and Bills of the world can avoid consequences for decades, even life, and leave a trail of damaged humans in their wake with a secret in the open and still often not have the evidence required for serious criminal charges. The logic of not making accused into victims is sound- but what about actual victims? Where law doesn’t protect actual victims why even have law?
By legal standards all accused are innocent until proven otherwise.
On the other hand, I wouldn't mind people looking the other way when "open secrets" are dealt with on a personal level.
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· 6 years ago
College campuses moving justice backwards in such a way as the first person to file the report is considered the victim.
The fact that you have to accuse before accused is saddening and only promotes either never having sex or being a hermit all your life.
Revenge for what ?
I dunno, sounds like an epic story to me
No one bats an eye.
Happens once to a woman...
Everyone loses their minds.
I'm just hoping if they change, the rules aren't rewritten in such a way as to make them worse by saying only men can be considered the rapists in these cases.
Whatever his motivation, here we are. Hopefully we get to "beyond a reasonable," doubt as the standard of proof for Title IX. Then maybe this stupidity will stop.
Too high a burden of proof and no victim sees justice. Too low and victims may see justice, but wrongfully accused persons will be punished with very little evidence. It's never going to be perfect, so we've got to accept that either some criminals will go unpunished, or some innocents will have their lives destroyed. It's not pretty, but it's life.
I'd certainly prefer a proper investigation with "beyond..." as the standard, even if it leads no where, than simply a race to be the first one through the door. But that's just my 2¢.
On the other hand, I wouldn't mind people looking the other way when "open secrets" are dealt with on a personal level.