Elvis eating breakfeast with his family 1959

That is his grandmother Minnie Mae his Father's Mother. His Mother's name was Gladys she was a larger woman. Minnie Mae out lived her son his wife and Elvis.
This picture was taken after the death of his mother. She died 1958.

That's the "get the fuck out of my house" look.

She looks like she doesn’t want ya damn chocolates

That is defo a pedo move

That wasn't uncommon back then, as weird as it sounds now. And (I'm not trying to victim blame, I'm relating personal observation and admission told to me by my grandmother) a lot of girls back then would initially fib or hedge about their actual age, or just let the older guy assume what he would. My Pawp was fresh off the ship out of the Navy, 24, when he walked into the diner my Mimi worked at and fell hard at first sight. He told the guy he was with, before even speaking to her, he was going to marry her. He didn't find out for a good 4 or 5 months she was 14. I've seen pictures, she DID NOT look 14. But she admitted to letting him assume she was older because "he was sexy and she wanted to get his shirt off". Btw, no one should ever have to hear those words out if their grandmother's mouth, EVER.

It's still pedoish

So I won't comment on anyone's grandparents here except "yeuch" but Elvis knew pretty soon he was dating a child. And I'm pretty, pretty sure that wasn't "common" 1960 in any society where people wore skirts, pants and shoes. Maybe 16/17 but not 14 and that's like nearly a generation at that age.

Actually- it was still quite common, especially for musicians it seems. Courtney Love says she gave oral to Ted Nugent when she was 12, and Nugent is on record having dated many underage girls- reffering to himself in that past time from the present as having been a “serial pedophile.”Jerry Lee Lewis, Bill Wyman, allegedly many others including David Bowie all slept with 13-15yo girls. R Kelly married Aaliyah when she was 14 and named her debut alblum “age ain’t nothing but a number”- similar lyrics or sentiments can be found throughout especially the 60’s and 70’s. Ideas like “free love” culture, drug culture- it’s perhaps easier to rationalize a 15yo being “mature” when they are doing heroine or coke- or you both are. I’m not saying it was ever right, but I am saying that even recently it hasn’t been as uncommon as the last poster suggests.

Even in the modern world, and “in any society where people wore skirts, pants and shoes,” Japan has an age of sexual consent of 13. Parts of Mexico it is 12, South America tends to vary between 14-18, Canada and parts of the US still have an age of consent of 16. A handful of US states have provisions to allow marriage at the age of 13-14 regardless of spousal age, with parental consent- and a couple states don’t have a minimum age at all, but do require a judge and a parent approve a marriage. So this sort of behavior isn’t some historical antique not seen in our times. It shouldn’t be normalized or encouraged IMHO, but it is not strictly factual to imply that it would be taken quite the same at that time as it would be now, and that even now it might not be considered such a huge deal when discussing a mega celebrity on the level of an “Elvis.”

So what you're saying is there's been a lot of child abusing musicians. Your point being? When Roman Polanski drugged and buttraped that 13 year old, was that quite common as well? I mean, everybody did ludes then and being the area of love and peace and everything... I'm sure those abused children of these lighter ages find a lot of comfort in that.

It isn’t ok- it even says so in my posts if you care to read them before replying. The point is that the assertion that it is uncommon is not exactly true. As to your example- do you think the victims of Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, etc, etc, etc- would be comforted if someone said “Well- sexual assault wasn’t common in Hollywood in the 2000’s....” No. it’s fucking common. It’s way too common. And when people say something like things like this didn’t or don’t happen often they undermine those victims you would like us to believe are not so common because when we re write history we not only disrespect the victims of wrongs but we reframe the lessons history can teach us. If you care to put your torch down for a moment, there are lessons to learn and patterns to see in history which we can apply to now and the future. Things that could help prevent the “buttrape” of more 13yo’s.

My second post highlighted that we often look at things like this and assume they are far removed in time, or the signs of “barbaric” “undeveloped” “uneducated” “immoral” people when in fact they are often occurring in the modern or recent world, and by people much like us. That if we allow ourselves to believe we are so superior, that we open the door for people to sneak by and do things like this unnoticed. So many say whenever a new high profile assault occurs that the assailant “never would have..” or they “never would believe..” “knew something as off but never would have thought that...” because they aren’t thinking someone here and now and “like them” could do it- when every horrible thing in history has happened whenever “now” and “here” were and by someone that someone else thought was “just like them.” So while I hope those children do find comfort, my point was that if we don’t do honest accounting of history, and learn from it, we are just stuck in a wheel going around.

@halfdeadhammerhead if you want truly creep factor when ut comes to musicians of that time, at least she wasn't his cousin, unlike Jerry Lee Lewis who married his 13 YEAR OLD second cousin. And trust me, in right there with you on the yeuch part. My family was way too into over sharing.

So my comment was made before @guest_ even posted the 2nd one. But even after re-reading all that, I don't find anything really relevant. Yup, yet again you showed you know your trivia and can give statements to any topic under the sun (including commenting statements I haven't even slightly suggested), but pretty much nothing has to do with my very simple statement: a 24 year old man hitting on a 14 year old child is a perv. And has been in 1960 as well. When I say "common", I don't mean "lawful in some places" or "for an artist in those days", I mean if you asked 100 random common people (probably without mentioning the celeb status of the perv in question), most of them, would think that's effed up and super gross.

@halfdeadhammerhead- dude... reeeead. I’ve said 2-3 times already (starting in my first post) that I don’t approve of it. If the only phrase you understand is “it’s gross,” let me go on record as saying that it is gross. From our perspective it was gross thousands of years ago too regardless of the culture of the time because we don’t roll that way- and shouldn’t. You’d be hard pressed to find any non pedo who wouldn’t say that was gross because by default... thinking that isn’t gross essentially makes one a pedo to some degree. Saying “gross” doesn’t add anything to the conversation. Otherwise this whole thread would just be people repeatedly posting “gross.” I was specifically replying to your previous statement in response to cel saying that such things weren’t common. The sheer number of victims of abuse tell us that acts like this are all too common in history and even the modern age. We don’t end these things by denying them.

There we go again... copious arguing against shi!t I never said.

What... part did you never say...? Or perhaps- if you take issue with something I’ve said or don’t understand it, you could be specific so that we could address just that...?

Everyone just calm the fuck down. Yes what he done was something a pedo would do and it may have been common in that era but it's still wrong

I would agree with that completely.its a more succinct version of my statements.