You don't lose weight through exercise. You amplify weight loss via diet with exercise. You can go jogging and burn 2000 calories all you want, but if you're eating 3000 calories per day, then you will gain weight. You should eat less to lose weight and exercise to lose it faster as well as the other health benefits.
...You do realize that you stated exactly what I did but in reverse order, correct? Anyways, that's just no feasible. It's a miracle if you get to burn even just a thousand calories in a day if you are an olympic athelete. You're infinitely better off just eating less.
The quality of there food you eat is more important than calories in calories out.3000 calories of shitty food and 3500 calories burned isn't gonna lose you weight
Shitty food goes into fat much higher quantities. To keep weight off while eating a really shitty diet you'd have to be working out full tilt literally every day which has its own super bad health problems that come with that.
The extra calories come from the fat stored in your body. Your body doesn't use all of the calories you eat; it stores some into fat to be used later. When your body uses these stored calories, then your weight begins to decrease.
My point has not been "oh you are gonna get calorie fairy's putting calories into your body" its been that shitty food injection as your norm is the first problem that needs to be fixed for weight lose that is gonna stick. If you just go full tilt at the gym 5 days a week for a year but don't improve your diet at all from the average american extremely shitty diet you aren't gonna be seeing a net lose in weight over the year. Eating less food isn't gonna fix the problem either because the body will start putting all your intake into fat from starvation panic. If you don't feed your workout correctly your workout won't help you correctly
Not quite @scatmandigo. The quality of the food does matter. 10,000 calories in healthy food and 10,000 calories in sugary food will work differently. You'll get fatter from the sugar because our brain is stupid and likes to store the calories. The source of the calories does matter a lot.
There's a YouTuber known as thunderf00t who went on a trip around the country eating only fast food. He lost weight. Why? Even though he was eating super unhealthy food that is packed with sugar (Fast food, especially McDonald's uses a ton of sugar in everything) he was out running, jogging, hiking, and rock climbing. You can eat unhealthy stuff and still lose weight, but if you want to have a leaner looking body, healthier skin, and just be healthier in general then you'll want to eat healthy and exercise. The quality of the food does matter, but it isn't a dealbreaker.
I’m aware there are other variables. I was just objecting you your statement that you don’t lose weight from excercise. Additionally @bethorien made the statement that quality is more important than calories. Both are contradictory to the law of conservation of energy.
if you are eating foods with added sugar (any food of shit quality has added sugar) it almost instantly gets turned into fat if eaten in the quantities that it exists in almost all food easily available in America. Even with exercise following recommended health guidelines if you have the added sugar ratio of the average american its been shown time and time again that people will still gain fat.
I didn't intend to say that exercise doesn't make you lose weight. What I meant to say is that if you are eating more than you are losing, then you will gain weight. You can go burn three thousands calories in a day, but if you eat four thousand calories, then you will be gaining weight. Your net weight determines if you are gaining or losing weight. Exercise can only do so much without actually dieting.
Exercise just isn't a way to lose weight if you don't change your diet too. If you are a professional Olympic athelete then you may be able to burn 500 calories per hour of exercise. If you exercise four hours, then that's around 2000 calories burnt. That's a lot of burnt calories, yes. But if you go and eat 5,000 calories on that same day, then you will still have a net weight gain. You did four hours of olympic level exercise, and you gained weight because you have eaten more weight than you have burned.
As for the quality of food being contradictory to the laws of physics, no. Your brain goes "Hey! It's sugar! Better store that into the body! I guess I should go lay down to converse energy now too." Sugary foods are stored as fat into the body easier than normal non-sugary food. There is nothing contradictory in physics due to this as this isn't a case of you suddenly gaining more mass than you've eaten. It's more mass staying in your body.
Something to note is the fact that it only really does that with added sugars. Sugars that is attached to fiber (meaning those you get from fruit and veggies) take longer for the liver to mess with allowing for it to be put to good use in your body. With added sugar the problem is the quantity of it in anything and the fact its not attached to fiber. When loose sugar hits your liver it takes very very little for it to get overloaded which in turn forces the liver to go into overflow mode effectively turning everything it gets into fat to prevent problems with too much trying to be processed around the same time.
The body has a finite amount of potential energy stored in chemical form. That amount is lowered by expenditure and raised by consuming food. If it’s not using consumed food then where is the body getting energy in your model @bethorien?
The body does have a finite amount of energy stored. And we call people who are drained of that stored energy dead. Or at the very least extremely unhealthy. So light that a light breeze will send them flying. That person can't lose weight because there is nothing left to lose. When you are losing weight, that means your body is using the fat stored in your body more than the calories you are eating.
I don't understand what you're even trying to say. That overweight people can't lose weight becane skinny people are too thin?
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You're arguing the same point that has been addressed far more than once. It's never been stated that calories magically appear. You are arguing the point that you want your opponent to make not the one they are making. It goes counter to a functional debate.
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To lose weight while eating a shitty diet 1 of a 2 things has to happen.
1. An increase in exercise. This is 1 of 2 routes (often a mix) most people try to take because they are miss informed. The amount of exercise required to lose weight without a change in diet is extremely large. It would require you to either 1 over exert yourself during the days you work out or 2 work out at an intense level daily both of which have detrimental effects on the human body especially one in a position where weight lose is nessesary.
2. A decrease in intake. This is the second of the 2 routes that most people try (often a mix) again because they are miss informed. Lowering your intake but eating the same foods (meaning effe
Effectively the same ratio of components) which will have basically the same result as 1 with less risk of physical injury however it will lead to exactly the same thing.
Eating less is gonna be more effective than working out in line with healthy guide lines (meaning not overexerting yourself every work out or working out 7 times a week) Because of the fact that if you work out in a healthy manner without making a change to your diet the calories you burn off during your workout days will be replaced and then some during your rest days (which are required for the body.) There will be no net lose and most likely a net gain if you do this over a years time.
The ONLY way to lose weight and keep the weight off is a complete lifestyle change. Suddenly starting to exercise enough to lose weight or suddenly changing your intake amounts or going on a diet (keto or palio diets and such things) will have detrimental effects on your body.
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Incrementally making your diet more health followed by introducing exercise at a slow rate is the ONLY way to keep weight off (not accounting for restrictive eating {dangerous} and eating disorders {deadly})
Any other ways of doing it will lead only to temporary changes and long term net weight gain
I am debating a statement you made: “3000 calories of shitty food and 3500 calories burned isn't gonna lose you weight”. It is an incorrect statement. You can talk about lifestyle changes and I get that part but saying burning more than you consume, regardless of method, won’t cause you to lose weight is wrong.
It is wrong because 3000 calories of shitty food a day and a 3500 calories burned per workout isnt gonna lose you weight because either
1 you'll gain more calories back on your rest days than you lost on your workout days or
2 you'll die
its not that hard to understand
You: 12+2=4
Me: That’s incorrect
You: You just have to subtract 10 it’s not that hard to understand.
Me: ??!
So instead of talking about the statement you made (3500 vs 3000) we will address the arbitrary scenario you have now introduced. So five workouts a week would mean calorie consumption of 21k and burn rate of 17.5k. Looks like you would be gaining weight no matter what quality of food you were eating.
If a person eats correctly and works out correctly their weight should stay within a healthy range. The problem with shitty foods is that it is almost guaranteed to turn into fat. It hits the liver too hard and too fast. Healthy foods take a lot longer to go through your system (comparatively) and use more energy to process as well as the energy gets used more effectively as less goes to waste. That combined with healthy levels of exercise and your bodies natural energy consumption should even out to keep you within a healthy range of weight and the food gets turned into useful things like muscle repair and such rather than fat production
Yes. This is all common sense. But it doesn’t change the fact that if you burn more calories than you consume in the same timeframe then you will lose weight no matter what you are eating.
I’m directly quoting you: “3000 calories of shitty food and 3500 calories burned isn't gonna lose you weight”. There is nothing in that statement about anything being per day or per workout. There is nothing about rest days. You are changing your argument after the fact. It is a patently incorrect statement. You just can’t admit that you were wrong when you said it.
You were too thick to ascertain the fact that a healthy exercise routine was the basis for the statement (which assumed from your statement of starting exercising so if in your comment you were saying you should be working out 7 days a week you are a complete retard)
And I elaborated. That's how a debate works. A statement is made, a counter is proffered forth, either the counter is accepted or questioning is done, elaboration ensues, eventually either a consensus is reach or the debate ends conclusion-less.
If you are so head stuck up your ass that you can't understand how a simple debate works political work is definitely the job for you
My statement didn’t have anything to do with an excercise routine; you added that later. I merely stated that excercise and caloric intake are equal in regards to the gain/loss equation. Quality of food is not more important that caloric intake, you are wrong about that. If you take in 3000 shitty calories one day and burn 3500 the same day you lose weight whether you are eating carrot sticks or cheeseburgers. Oh and fuck you, I can always tell I’m right with assholes like you when they start insulting me as a distraction from my facts.
It is a scientific fact that improving the quality of your diet is extremely more effective than counting calories. The US government has been chastised by the scientific community for years because of their stubbornness in holding to "move more, calories in calories out, let's move" campaigns for combating obesity. there are multiple papers that detail why the obesity epidemic's landslide contributor is the extremely shitty quality of the American diet. More specifically the abhorrent levels of loose sugar in the food. The WHO had a paper completely shut down by American lobbyists who "compelled" the American government to threaten to cut funding to the WHO if they released a paper lowering the suggested maximum amount of added sugar from 25% of your diet to 10% of your diet. It's an irrevocable fact that the number 1 most important factor in losing weight in America and other 1st world countries is improving the quality of your food and lowering the intake of loose sugars.
What about me?? I mostly eat junk food(2-3 times a day), I add sugar to everything, I almost never eat fresh vegetables and fruit, I don't exercise, maybe walk +- 8km a week in totaal (including when I stand up in the middle of the night to go pee), I don't have a job and I spend most of my time sitting or lying down while reading or browsing the web. Why am I not fat yet?? (I know I should get my shit together don't even...)
There's a YouTuber known as thunderf00t who went on a trip around the country eating only fast food. He lost weight. Why? Even though he was eating super unhealthy food that is packed with sugar (Fast food, especially McDonald's uses a ton of sugar in everything) he was out running, jogging, hiking, and rock climbing. You can eat unhealthy stuff and still lose weight, but if you want to have a leaner looking body, healthier skin, and just be healthier in general then you'll want to eat healthy and exercise. The quality of the food does matter, but it isn't a dealbreaker.
Exercise just isn't a way to lose weight if you don't change your diet too. If you are a professional Olympic athelete then you may be able to burn 500 calories per hour of exercise. If you exercise four hours, then that's around 2000 calories burnt. That's a lot of burnt calories, yes. But if you go and eat 5,000 calories on that same day, then you will still have a net weight gain. You did four hours of olympic level exercise, and you gained weight because you have eaten more weight than you have burned.
I don't understand what you're even trying to say. That overweight people can't lose weight becane skinny people are too thin?
You're arguing the same point that has been addressed far more than once. It's never been stated that calories magically appear. You are arguing the point that you want your opponent to make not the one they are making. It goes counter to a functional debate.
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To lose weight while eating a shitty diet 1 of a 2 things has to happen.
1. An increase in exercise. This is 1 of 2 routes (often a mix) most people try to take because they are miss informed. The amount of exercise required to lose weight without a change in diet is extremely large. It would require you to either 1 over exert yourself during the days you work out or 2 work out at an intense level daily both of which have detrimental effects on the human body especially one in a position where weight lose is nessesary.
2. A decrease in intake. This is the second of the 2 routes that most people try (often a mix) again because they are miss informed. Lowering your intake but eating the same foods (meaning effe
Eating less is gonna be more effective than working out in line with healthy guide lines (meaning not overexerting yourself every work out or working out 7 times a week) Because of the fact that if you work out in a healthy manner without making a change to your diet the calories you burn off during your workout days will be replaced and then some during your rest days (which are required for the body.) There will be no net lose and most likely a net gain if you do this over a years time.
The ONLY way to lose weight and keep the weight off is a complete lifestyle change. Suddenly starting to exercise enough to lose weight or suddenly changing your intake amounts or going on a diet (keto or palio diets and such things) will have detrimental effects on your body.
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Any other ways of doing it will lead only to temporary changes and long term net weight gain
1 you'll gain more calories back on your rest days than you lost on your workout days or
2 you'll die
its not that hard to understand
Me: That’s incorrect
You: You just have to subtract 10 it’s not that hard to understand.
Me: ??!
So instead of talking about the statement you made (3500 vs 3000) we will address the arbitrary scenario you have now introduced. So five workouts a week would mean calorie consumption of 21k and burn rate of 17.5k. Looks like you would be gaining weight no matter what quality of food you were eating.
And I elaborated. That's how a debate works. A statement is made, a counter is proffered forth, either the counter is accepted or questioning is done, elaboration ensues, eventually either a consensus is reach or the debate ends conclusion-less.
If you are so head stuck up your ass that you can't understand how a simple debate works political work is definitely the job for you