The Chinese are building a new coal plant every week. The concept of ‘manmade climate change’ should be proved scientifically, as in be skeptical, ask questions, perform experiments correlate the data. There are two types of people right now, skeptics asking for proof and fans of Fraud Nye the Science Actor; how can we ever have discussion let alone a consensus when asking for proof of these grandiose claims (man is making the sky fall and only taxes can stop it) is met with shouts of “Denier!” from the true believers?
Of course everyone is concerned about the environment we live in, that’s the beauty of wrapping totalitarian restrictions in the guise of topics no one in their right mind would be against. But just saying something don’t make it so; where are these claims coming from? are the sources cited? Is the experiment repeatable?
Meteorologists are unable to accurately predict the weather within 3 degrees for the next 5 Saturdays.
Tbh with you guest, there's not just 2 types of people. There's a 3rd: people who don't know who Nye even is and actually read facts, scientific papers and generally keep up with news on climate change and how we as a species effect it. Climate change is not wholly man made but is certain sped up by us and our way of life, our progress and our environmental influence. The evidence is around you; from sea levels rising, ice caps melting to increasingly unseasonably warm temperatures. Naturally our planet goes through shifts, we know this from testing things like sediments, rocks and underwater probes but from the industrial era onward we have brought a devastating effect onto out planet and sped up the process to such a degree that all we can hope to do is slow it down even just a bit. If you want to believe in Prince Cheeto and the Chinese Conspiracy that's up to you, but don't go around trying to say there's no proof just because you don't believe in it. Dumbass.
And to what level has the planet emerging from its last ice age been sped up by the industrial revolution? If you can make that claim then surely there’s been a comparison model presented that I haven’t seen; I’m always looking to bring my knowledge and opinion closer to the truth. At what rate has human activity “sped up” the earths heating and cooling cycles? Where should we be vs where it is? Sea levels are supposed to rise, I currently live in a landlocked area, the closest ocean is 1800 kms from here and yet this used to be an ancient ocean. Ice caps are supposed to melt, Antarctica has had tropical temperatures at least twice in the past.
Unless you can cite to what degree human activity has accelerated a natural process and where you got this opinion from, I think the responsible thing to do would be to redact yourself and only put forth correct ideas that are provable.
The last numbers I heard for the speeding up of climate change was that in the last 100 years its had the same change as the 100,000 years before it. This however is hearsay as im recounting a simplified spoken statement made by a college professor
It’s an easy position to take. We are talking about a massive and complicated convergence of systems- a planet, and asking for iron clad proof is asinine. What do you expect them to do- Seed a neighboring Earth like planet with green houses gassed and monitor it for several eons while controlling the emissions so that they can show unequivocally the results? What’s the test case that would provide satisfactory “proof” for such a complex system as a planet? We don’t need to believe in “climate change” to know that- in simple English- pollution is bad. It’s bad for people and all organisms, and there is proof of that. We know we need to cut emissions and pollution even IF climate change were a crock of shit, so the end result is the same. And “because they have an advantage” is not a good reason. If another world power started using concentration camps or slaves for labor that wouldn’t justify us saying “well, to be competitive we have to do it too....”
I've been waiting to use this
https://youtu.be/OWXoRSIxyIU
Check the description for individual sources (so don't just say "it's just a youtube video").
Oh yeah sure because the chinese are totally the ones who are pushing for climate change reform. Oh wait its not the chinese....then who is it.... Every scientist ever....so its not a hoax... Shit.
Jurassic Park. An old man and a bunch of young employees are all focused on progress by holding on to the past, while the government remains complicit in the affair for hopes that they too can makes short term benifit of the affair. A small and largely dismissed group of scientists try to warn them that the past is past, and we should move on to the future, by the time anyone heeds them it is too late to avoid disaster. Having learned absolutely no lessons, a new generation of owners sees the opportunity for profit, and write off all evidence they are on a doomed path as coincidence. Rinse and repeat. Jurassic Park sums up climate change nicely- but don’t fret, because as in the movie: “life finds a way.” Civilization as we know is is over rated anyway. A large part of the problem behind climate change is largely people trying to cling to a world they know amidst efforts to create a better world.
Of course everyone is concerned about the environment we live in, that’s the beauty of wrapping totalitarian restrictions in the guise of topics no one in their right mind would be against. But just saying something don’t make it so; where are these claims coming from? are the sources cited? Is the experiment repeatable?
Meteorologists are unable to accurately predict the weather within 3 degrees for the next 5 Saturdays.
Unless you can cite to what degree human activity has accelerated a natural process and where you got this opinion from, I think the responsible thing to do would be to redact yourself and only put forth correct ideas that are provable.
https://youtu.be/OWXoRSIxyIU
Check the description for individual sources (so don't just say "it's just a youtube video").