most of it is just people using it as an excuse to be worthless asshats as they don't actually give a single shit about anyone being healthy at all they just want another thing they can belittle people
Agreed. People don’t seem to care about actual health. I was told I was lucky when I was underweight from the nausea caused by my condition. That was after I explained that it came from a place of harm.
Heart disease is still the champion killer in America. But here’s the crazy thing- heart disease doesn’t just kill the overweight. Sit all day? Don’t exercise or get regular activity? Eat high sodium high fat, high sugar diet, have high cholesterol or blood pressure, stress? Those are ALL risk factors in heart disease and you don’t have to overweight to have them. Here’s another crazy one- maybe it isn’t our business what people choose. A motorcycle is 35x more likely to get in an accident with injury or death than a car. 35x. People still ride- should we stop them for the greater good? Before you answer- realize that a person taking a bus is 70x less likely to be in an accident than a car. So logically if we ban riding for health and safety, we should certainly ban driving a car too and make people walk or bus. Don’t like that? Is it too much work, do you just like driving? Well- I see a parelllel there. We don’t need to glorify obesity to accept that some people are obese....
... they are part of our society, they are human, they deserve dignity and they deserve to be able to make choices as an assault even if we disagree with those choices. There’s nothing healthy about tattoos either save subjective and questionable mental benefits. I’m fact- tattoos put a person at inherent risk for infections, allergic reactions, blood born diseases, etc. yet... it’s a choice you can make as an adult knowing there are potential risks and complications. People will surely downvote me because they like tattoos or driving cars. That’s fine. It proves a point. That when we turn the lens of “public safety” onto something that effects YOUR life, it is suddenly different. In free society it is easier to support sacrifice for “greater good” when you aren’t the one giving anything up. But what is done to someone else today can be done to you tomorrow. Ask yourself if you want society and government labeling you an undesirable for your choices and lifestyle.
Okay, nice presentation. I mean, it's literally information almost any person knows at this point, but fair enough. Now, how about you actually provide some strategies/support to help people deal with and/lose weight? I mean, you HAVE a PhD. If not, I'm not sure why you're here.
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As a side note I'd also argue that, no, being overweight isn't healthy. But neither is crippling depression, anxiety, and self-loathing that often comes hand in hand with trying to lose an extreme amount of weight the wrong ways and for the wrong reasons.
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A happy person who is a bit overweight is probably just as well off as a miserable person who is the "ideal" weight.
People in better shape tend to be happier, but I think that has more to do with regular exercise and good nutrition.
Simply finding a hobby that gets a person active while cutting down on bad fats, carbs, excess sodium, etc., can really make a massive difference for those who aren't legitimately crippled or otherwise suffering from a condition.
Both of you make good points, and again at least offer advice or productive input.
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Part of the problem is no one bothers to find out if someone is suffering at ALL.
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I'm not advocating for unhealthy lifestyles or anything-- especially when it's extreme. But most people are engaging in some (often many) activities that are going to shorten their lifespan. Being a healthy weight doesn't necessarily mean you ARE healthy.
Idek how to word my point. I guess that there's a lot of people, even some on this site, who mention they're overweight. And yet often times they're some of the most caring, sweet, HAPPY people. And then people come along and want to make them feel invalid and insufficient because they're not 100% healthy. Like, I can barely do a damn push-up, which is far from healthy, but people aren't making diagrams about me to get themselves likes on social media
in america being a healthy weight on average means nothing. Because of the average american diet even those that are traditionally skinny are just as fat as a person that looks fat. It's usually called TOFI. Thin on the outside fat on the inside.
I sense a lot of fat people commenting here. Working out and eating right is not hard. Plain and simple, quit being worthless piles of unhealthy garbage and treat your body like a temple. Quit getting mad and making excuses everytime the topic comes up and get off your asses and do something about it.
As I already said above you it's your diet that decides how healthy you are more than your workout. The average American diet leaves a vast amount of people skinny but with just as high a fat ratio as a person that looks fat. In the current state of America it's fairly cheaper to eat unhealthy than to eat a diet that isn't going to kill you. There is an entire tax bracket of people that can't afford to eat healthy and only get the workout portion as a side effect of the rest of their life.
That's a bizarre stance to take. The post wasn't made by an overweight person. No overweight person said anything in the context we've been giving. This is literally the OP firing off an opinion with the intent of telling people "SEE HOW UNHEALTHY YOU ARE??!" While offering nothing usable in the post. Your comment would make more sense if the op had been someone overweight telling people "see how healthy I am??"
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Also, prior to bethorien's comment which came after your own, I hadn't seen anyone make excuses for why someone should be overweight, with the exception of medical reasons. Instead they're simply stating why this is an ineffective and, overall uncalled for, method of dealing with that issue
Take your butt down to a whole foods, spend the extra money and eat 3 moderate to small meals a day. Before I was smart and invested my money I was in the lower class tax bracket l and I was still able to double down and keep my body healthy(ish). Meal prep and quit eating so much fast food and cheap stuff. Once you get that down then start working out if you want to work on toning your physique. I wish I could show you all how easy it actually is. You just have to really want it.
If you want me to provide my work out routines and a sample of my diet including macro and micro nutrient totals and times of ingestion. I can provide stats for competition, bulking, cutting, or other points in my training for weight and body fat. So feel free to ask if you want to confirm that I am not just “fat” and “mad.” So, that being said- I think you are way off base. Is it simple to eat right and be active? Sure. Is it easy? When I was training 6 daysva week for up to 10 hours a day and managing my nutrition to a precise measure I didn’t think it was very hard. It isn’t super hard to but 2x my body weight on a bar and lift it. Is that hard for you? Can you go squat 2 or more of yourselves on your shoulders? Run a sub 8 minute mile? How about 6? It’s simple to do. Train right, eat right, sleep right. Sure basic fitness and diet aren’t so hard- but neither is that level for me. It’s relative isn’t it?
So now take a person who is overweight and or unhealthy. Who likely has reduced oxygen capacity, a heart and central nervous system not used to such stress, and who’s joints cannot healthily take high impact exercises. With an already taxed heart I don’t advise you do intense work outs either. So for them, those who are already there- you saying it’s “easy” is bullshit. It’s harder for them than for you. They will likely also have less energy overall. What’s more- unhealthy eating can be a mental and chemical addiction or behave as one. It’s like saying it’s easy not to be an alchohic- don’t drink. Simple is not the same as easy. It does no good to play the “shouldn’t have started” game because once you are there you are there. Losing the weight is much harder than gaining it, and the more you have gained the harder it is to lose. But as Bethorien aptly says: fitness happens in the kitchen not the gym.
You’ll get terrible results from a competent fitness regime if you don’t have diet and recovery dialed in. You can gain more calories in one fast food meal than you can lose in a day of intense working out. It can take hours of lifting or running to cancel out a single high calorie snack. Simple carbs and sugars will be quickly digested and so if you aren’t active before or immediately after consuming them your body will not convert them to energy but store them for later. But diet can be very hard. One has to know basic nutrition, has to have information on what they are eating, has to have the means to purchase good food. If you aren’t meal
Planning and prepping or researching you can easily find yourself in situations where location and schedule have you eaten like crap. It’s far easier to find foods that are likely to promote unhealthy diet than healthy in the world at large. It’s not an excuse. It can be done. It takes time and effort. People have priorities in life.
Sometimes your new born baby and your other kids and your job are your priorities and you don’t have the time or energy to focus on you. For those people- it isn’t easy. To say so is ignorant. It CAN be done. Anyone can do it. But it isn’t easy for everyone and is far easier for some than others. But at the end of the day, wether you snoke weed, drink, have tattoos and piercings, aren’t active, spend most of the day seated, etc- you have the ultimate right to choose for yourself to make decisions not because they are healthy or not but because that is what you want to do for whatever reason. I don’t need to lecture a weed smoker about what weed does to their lung capacity or the carcinogenic risks of smoking anything. That’s their choice. Not all “fat” people are unhealthy and not all “not fat” people are. What gives you or anyone else the right to be the judge of others fitness?
What makes this an issue that isn’t between a person and their doctor or family and friends? What is your commitment to it if you care so much? Do you help train or mentor for people struggling with weight? Would you pay taxes for programs to help them lose weight? Would you start a kickstarter or fund raiser for such programs? Or are you just a person who either enjoys shitting on others and kicking people while their down and see “fat” people as one of the few socially acceptable targets who you can hide behind a mask of “their best interests” while doing it so you can feel righteous? Or perhaps you just are scared in a seemingly random world and believing that people “get what they deserve” and are always ultimately responsible for their circumstances makes you feel better- because you must be “good” by virtue for being gifted what you are in life and they must be “bad” if they have less and so you don’t have to feel sympathy or guilt?
@guest_ haha sometimes I feel like I'm just the trailer for your upcoming comments and you're like the movie with the behind the scenes footage and interviews with the cast and stuff.
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"Sneak preview! Coming soon to a comment section near you: guest_, the extended edition"
@xvarnah- or you are the svelt theatrical cut that contains all the relevance and engages a wide audience and I am the directors cut dvd version that is only watched by a narrow audience who sees why most of it was left on the cutting room floor but find a few snippets that are worth it. Lol.
I'm not sure that's giving yourself enough credit at all with that. But either way-- The TRUE fans know and appreciate the extended cut.
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(Also now I'm just picturing people taking screenshots of your comments and then showing up at a convention or something waiting for you to autograph them)
Lmao. More likely standing outside waiting to beat me on the way to my car. I kid. But for what it’s worth I think a funsub convention would either be amazing or terrible- and either way interesting.
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As a side note I'd also argue that, no, being overweight isn't healthy. But neither is crippling depression, anxiety, and self-loathing that often comes hand in hand with trying to lose an extreme amount of weight the wrong ways and for the wrong reasons.
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A happy person who is a bit overweight is probably just as well off as a miserable person who is the "ideal" weight.
Simply finding a hobby that gets a person active while cutting down on bad fats, carbs, excess sodium, etc., can really make a massive difference for those who aren't legitimately crippled or otherwise suffering from a condition.
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Part of the problem is no one bothers to find out if someone is suffering at ALL.
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I'm not advocating for unhealthy lifestyles or anything-- especially when it's extreme. But most people are engaging in some (often many) activities that are going to shorten their lifespan. Being a healthy weight doesn't necessarily mean you ARE healthy.
Idek how to word my point. I guess that there's a lot of people, even some on this site, who mention they're overweight. And yet often times they're some of the most caring, sweet, HAPPY people. And then people come along and want to make them feel invalid and insufficient because they're not 100% healthy. Like, I can barely do a damn push-up, which is far from healthy, but people aren't making diagrams about me to get themselves likes on social media
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Also, prior to bethorien's comment which came after your own, I hadn't seen anyone make excuses for why someone should be overweight, with the exception of medical reasons. Instead they're simply stating why this is an ineffective and, overall uncalled for, method of dealing with that issue
Planning and prepping or researching you can easily find yourself in situations where location and schedule have you eaten like crap. It’s far easier to find foods that are likely to promote unhealthy diet than healthy in the world at large. It’s not an excuse. It can be done. It takes time and effort. People have priorities in life.
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"Sneak preview! Coming soon to a comment section near you: guest_, the extended edition"
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(Also now I'm just picturing people taking screenshots of your comments and then showing up at a convention or something waiting for you to autograph them)