I wish people would stop saying things like this as if we, as Americans, actually ENJOY seeing innocents slaughtered en masse. It sounds bad to you people in the rest of the world, but it's a constant terror for us, a constant fear that hangs over our heads every time we leave our homes. It's really not funny. It's horrible. Stop lumping us in with the selfish idiots who think anyone and their grandpa should have access to military grade assault rifles. We hate it, too. Probably more than you do. Because while it's a distant thought for all of you, it's a hellish reality for us.
Sooo, you're admitting to enjoy kids getting slaughtered and that you're an idiot thinking everyone should have access to military grade assault rifles?
Congrats, realization is the first step to improvement.
For Christ sakes, in 1810's it was ruled constitutional for civilian's to own god damn cannons.
Also out of the over 180 nation's only 3 of them defend the right to bear arms, it's not perfect and we are working on making it better, but if you can't stand it chances are it's easier to move to Canada.
But I do also think that the only way to get a hold of and own a military style rifle, you should be a part of a state organized milita and be regularly drilled and trained.
I trust my neighbors to defend me more than any cop or state trooper. But all my neighbors could stand to drop fifty pounds and be halfway drilled into a national guard man
My point is I'm pro responsibility but on a cultural level conservatives need to step up their game and stop half assing the freedom to defend yourself. Do it right or be limited.
Funny enough many countries with very low gun crime and citied in arguments over gun control are countries with strong gun history and wide spread ownership. Finland went from one of the most dangerous states to safest despite high gun numbers. Sweden- almost 1/3 of people own guns, even many jobs have gun closets to keep your rifle while at work. Both countries are stricter on what weapons you can own- but that’s irrelevant to the fact that any gun that shoots at all- even a musket- can be used for robbery, homicide, suicide- but deaths by these means are MUCH lower in these countries despite access to guns.
What is interesting to me is the PROCESS of buying and owning guns. A license is required for EACH gun, not one license that allows unlimited purchase. An owner must pass tests and competency drills for a weapon. It would be interesting to see a discussion focused more on responsibility than the opposite. To discuss those steps which could prudently allow people to enjoy firearms while safeguarding against abuse.
That’s part of the problem with the dialog. If we had created a climate and understanding that we could agree upon the sanctity of the right to bear arms- we could take on trust that no one was secretly working towards such acts like confiscation. When a patient sees a psychiatrist or mental health doctor- when they sit and speak to an attorney- they know that unless that person has reason reason to fear the imminent and certain harm of another- anything they say is protected. People can without fear speak to professionals on their issues and troubles and inner secrets. Even a murder already committed is protected since there is no longer a risk of harm.
If people could be so certain and assured of their rights to arms- there wouldn’t be such an issue. But in the current climate- the discussion has long hinged upon disarmament of law abiding citizens without any probable cause. Many tines laws have been changed- but ex post facto. Those who made decisions and lived lawfully under an older version of the law are faced with a choice to surrender arms or become criminals. And the way the wind blows any given year or even case by case is all over the place. Assault weapons were legal, then not, then some weren’t, then some were and some weren’t. Then they were legal, later they won’t be, etc. etc.
So when you look at some of these weapons which may cost or be worth thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars- and a person has invested in this weapon under an assumption of return on that investment in one form or another- and then what was perfectly legal when it was bought is now a crime to have. Perhaps a weapon one has had for years or decades before the law passed and without any incident- is suddenly illegal even though they’ve committed no crime?
So yes- confiscation is NOT some conspiracy nut or hillbilly rhetoric. Several cities banned hand guns or other weapons and those private citizens owning them were contacted and told to relinquish the weapon or become a felon. Often without any compensation or adequate compensation to market value or invested value. But confiscation is only an issue because of how the dialog has gone up to this point. If we could get such retro active penalties off the table we could lay a ground work by which a more constructive dialog could be had about how to increase responsibility and accounting of weapons in private hands.
Too many have tried to disarm me and mine for me to ever trust any further restriction on the right to bear arms. Most of those already in place are too far for me.
When the movement is founded, spearheaded, and filled with people who want me ultimately disarmed and ineffectual, there can be no more compromise with my natural rights.
Too hot in southern Texas for that. If I did have to wear a trench coat though, I'd probably opt for either the Civil War era coat, or the Soviet winter trench coat, way better than the POS I was issued. I'll talk shit about communists all day, they knew how to make a coat.
@rachee Thoughts on what to wear?
forget it stupid will always be stupid don't waste your time here. better off finding people that have brains but no knowledge and explain to them that freedom isn't free explain where gun bans have lead other countries in the past Hitler Stalin pol pot and so on. hell even what going on in tokyo right now.
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Ok, so what's going on in Tokyo right now? Have they multiplied their homicide rate by 25? Remember: Japan: 0,2 homicides per 100k citizens, USA 5,1 homicides per 100 k.
I guess that bullshit will stop once the US homicide rate will get substantially closer to those of other western countries.
I’m not refuting all valid claims or anything- but comparing a county the size of California with a population that is 90%+ one race, ethnicity, language, religion, culture- who’s entire cultural backbone is based on politeness and social conformity- to a country multitudes the size, with a diverse make up of nationalities. Ethnicities, cultures, etc that was founded on ideas of freedom and rebellion is already a bit daffy. That said- when you compare crimes between the United States- which is either 9th place is largest income inequality in the world- or 1st depending on how you calculate it- with a country which no matter how you calculate it runs near the lower middle of income inequality and is ranked very well in income equality in the world- that falls short.
In fact- when we compare the US homicide rate per 100,000 from ALL causes to the world average- the US is lower by 1/3. When we compare the US homicide rate per 100,000 to the nations above it in inequality- it is MAGNITUDES better. Greenland and Russia both beat the US in homicides per 100,000. Of course the UK, France, and other countries have half less or fewer homicides per 100,000 than the United States.
But then- if we can compare the US to Japan- why not compare it to island nations like Nuie or Naru that have an effective 0 homicides per 100,000? Interestingly enough- when we look at the “America’s” as a whole- Canada, US, Mexico, South and Central America- we will see a rate of about 16 per 100,000. If we look at Europe as a whole- we see a rate of about 3 per 100,000- and this includes Eastern Europe- countries like Serbia which has the second most guns per capita next to the United States. The situation is much more complex if we start to dig.
And even people who are pro guns don’t want these absolute mental idiots running around with access to guns to shoot up schools full of kids. Who in the hell would think that’s okay unless they were unstable??
I'm getting really tired of the US bashing. Especially when most of these countries have their own problems. Australia being used as the example in this post, the Australian government published in 2018 that 18.00% of women countrywide have experienced rape or sexual assault. Current forecasts based on 2019 data collected so far project this number to be close to 24.00% by the end of 2019. Literally a quarter of the women in Australia are experiencing rape or sexual assault but keep talking about the US by all means. Stop criticizing my house when yours is burning down around you.
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1. whataboiutism
2. very different definition of what constitutes a sexual assault.
Try harder
1. My point went over your head.
2. Not according to all the data and reports published by their government. 3. If you have data or reports also published that contradict this please cite. I pulled my info directly from .gov data and stats published by the Australian government and rape is rape, forcefully grabbing someone's privates is forcefully grabbing someone's privates--kind of insane I have to even add clarification to this. Also, telling me to "try harder" comes across as more condescending and becomes self-defeating. I would recommend you provide actual counter points and try to back them up with data in the future.
And please note I'm saying this with all good intentions and respect. You and I have debated some hot topics before without any issues, I think the perceived tone in your last comment just came across as less than stellar.
Here in America we are offended by mass shootings. Funny isn’t it? If you make fun of starving people overseas- make fun of people in countries with Aids epidemics- people call you an asshole. Make fun of people in countries suffering sex trafficking epidemics or victims like those in the Bosnian genocide- people who’s own choices or the choices of their governments have brought horrible tragedy in them- we all tend to agree that’s low. But when Americans suffer from the wrong doing of their countrymen- their leaders and those tasked to keep them safe- suddenly its perfectly alright to mock the victims of tragedy because its funny and forwards some political agenda. I’m glad you live in a country that doesn’t deal with such horrible realities. Maybe you could find a way to forward your political beliefs without mocking those who don’t? I don’t know how many of those school kids killed are “pro gun,” but I doubt it was many.
I suppose Australians don’t find making fun of people grieving over dead children offensive either- or at least the Australian who made this. I suppose they also don’t find it offensive to use dead children as political pawns, or to brag about how lucky they are not to have dead children. Amongst the victims of mass shooters tend to be very few or no mass shooters asides maybe themselves. So perhaps the first and second and third hand victims of gun violence aren’t the people to mock because you’re mad at the perpetrators.
Congrats, realization is the first step to improvement.
Also out of the over 180 nation's only 3 of them defend the right to bear arms, it's not perfect and we are working on making it better, but if you can't stand it chances are it's easier to move to Canada.
But I do also think that the only way to get a hold of and own a military style rifle, you should be a part of a state organized milita and be regularly drilled and trained.
I trust my neighbors to defend me more than any cop or state trooper. But all my neighbors could stand to drop fifty pounds and be halfway drilled into a national guard man
When the movement is founded, spearheaded, and filled with people who want me ultimately disarmed and ineffectual, there can be no more compromise with my natural rights.
@rachee Thoughts on what to wear?
I guess that bullshit will stop once the US homicide rate will get substantially closer to those of other western countries.
2. very different definition of what constitutes a sexual assault.
Try harder
2. Not according to all the data and reports published by their government. 3. If you have data or reports also published that contradict this please cite. I pulled my info directly from .gov data and stats published by the Australian government and rape is rape, forcefully grabbing someone's privates is forcefully grabbing someone's privates--kind of insane I have to even add clarification to this. Also, telling me to "try harder" comes across as more condescending and becomes self-defeating. I would recommend you provide actual counter points and try to back them up with data in the future.