Ah yes, let's disarm hundreds of millions of law-abiding citizens, 3 million of whom are unfortunate enough to need to use a firearm in self-defense every year, tens of millions of whom would treat the confiscators like the authoritarian goose-steppers they are, to force criminals to beat or stab people to death instead of risking a bullet to the throat next time they want to rob, assault, rape, or murder the frail, the young, the elderly and the outnumbered. That'll go without a hitch.
I'm not familiar with either of those men. Based off our previous interactions, I'll just assume it's not a positive comparison.
Regardless, nothing I said is principally untrue, and though vague I'm certain my numbers are at worst lower than reality based solely off of common estimates of firearms numbers and use, as, thankfully, the United States has not been stupid enough to agree to any kind of national registry. Else the authoritarians wouldn't bother with false pretenses like "red flag" laws, or respect natural rights and due process at all.
Maybe people would take you and our values more seriously and with more respect if you didn’t come from a place of total condescension. You treat it as if you have all the answers, and we are mere tadpoles in your froggy lake. @pripyatplatypus is right...the reality is, you come from a place of total predictability and regurgitated, conservative (extremism) bullshit. “Sensible gun control” does not mean “taking guns away from everybody.” Maybe we’d respect your opinions more if you actually responded logically to things. It’s always an emotional tornado. I’m just letting you know why you’re receiving so much opposition and criticism from this community. Maybe don’t act like everyone else stupid, ok?
What is it all the democratic candidates are campaigning on? How many of them have disavowed confiscation, Red Flag laws, mandatory registration, or otherwise criminalizing and/or eliminating our constitutional rights?
The arguement always goes back to the EU model, or Australia's, or some strange amalgamation of what the Fascists and Socialists did to disarm their populaces. Until they disavow that platform, I will cut through the niceties and get right to the point.
Somebody please prove me wrong! Detail something in favor of gun control that is definitively and indisputably proven to reduce criminal assaults and homicides without infringing on the letter or spirit of any constitutional rights or limitations on government. Bonus points if it's actually common sense, not just in name. I'm begging you, please, step up to the plate!
I wasn’t even talking about the democrats or their agenda...this is the shit I’m referring to. You just jump right to conclusions. For example, I wasn’t defending democrats, yet that was your first stop. I’m not even aligned with them. Would a little gun control, as in a mental illness screening kill anyone? No, it would probably save some fucking lives. But you’re so gung-ho, slippery-slope that you will never see solutions that lie somewhere in the middle (I’m not saying every problem has a solution in the middle). Mental patients and convicted felons don’t even have most of their rights, so tell me what the problem is with a mental health screening? Even if it takes guns away from a few thousand people, the majority still get to keep theirs, and the 2nd amendment doesn’t perish. Can I ask that you stay on topic, and don’t start wailing on the dems? That just...kills any sense of respect I could have for debate with you. You have a habit of reaming them, unprovoked, for no reason.
I proposed a solution that fit your criteria (gun control without ultimate infringement), and you downvoted me. You won’t like any solution, because you’re so threatened by any change. I now see it’s impossible to have a debate with you, since you’ll just shoot down anything that isn’t your worldview. Yep, it’s all about you, you, you. I’m not going to even pay attention to your comments anymore. It’s futile to argue with a stone.
Rights are not for the majority. The majority do not need rights. Rights are not voted on. If anyone is to ever be deprived of any right, it is on an individual basis, with due process, and transparently. Anything less is an affront to justice and liberty both.
If your mental health screening meets that criteria, I implore you to write to your congressman.
I didn't downvote you. What's it matter anyways? I've never let a red arrow shut me up. Not really much of a plan you suggested, simply a statement of what's already happening. Frankly, I'll argue that non-violent felons and non-severe mental patients should not have their right to self-defense infringed upon either.
Again I DIDN'T DOWNVOTE YOU. A little red arrow is all it takes to scare you off? That says far more about you then it ever will about me or whoever actually downvoted you.
Ok, I must respond to this because of how ridiculous it is...I wasn’t “scared off” from a downvote. I was just saying that even though I proposed something, as requested, it was downvoted. Ok, so it wasn’t by you. Cool (I didn’t even see that you commented that your weren’t the downvoter). I’m not planning on responding because you’re insufferable to talk to. Everything you say is in anger and false superiority. Your assumption about why I’m deciding not to further the discussion is beyond pathetic. I know it’s just an attempt to cut me down and make you seem more resilient. I’m not going to play this game. Have a good day, @famousone...you are nuts, and so are your conclusions.
just gonna point out that if every murder commited with a gun in america was committed by a different legally owned gun that would still only be 0.0001% of legal gun owners committing murder even tho almost all gun related murders are done with illegally owned guns.
edit: didnt put enough 0s in the percentage
I believe it’s every American’s God given right to own a gun and should own a gun unless there is a good reason not to. The 2nd amendment isn’t solely in place to protect people from other people but for also a check on governmental power. Which in my personal opinion is the main reason the 2nd amendment exists in the first place.
All you bootlicking conservatives in the comment section are losing your tiny minds because the thought of not having a military grade assault rifle is so terrifying, yet this meme isn't about taking away the guns. It quite literally says "sensible gun control." Get your heads out of your asses and look around. How many more fucking shootings do we have to have? How many more innocents have to die? How many more children will be orphaned or slaughtered? No other country on this entire planet has mass shootings like we do in the US. Every day we live in constant fear. How can you condone this? If you're not a part of the solution, you're a part of the problem. Wake the fuck up.
"military grade assault rifle" isn't a thing. The guns that the media act like is such a crazy evil gun is literally just a hunting rifle with a plastic or metal body instead of wood.
for something to be an "assault rifle" (which is a nazi propaganda term just fyi) it has to have at least select fire. meaning it has to be legally a machine gun. If you look at my math above,
about 1/3rd of americans own guns. that's about 100 million people. There are about 15k gun murders in america in 2018. If every single murder was committed by a different legally owned gun that's would be 0.0001% of legal gun owners having ever committed a murder with a gun when in fact most gun murders in america are committed by illegally owned guns.
Most americans dont live in fear of being murdered.
another point of interest, the majority of gun related murders are committed with handguns not rifles. The VAST majority of school shootings are done with handguns. You are more likely to be ran over than shot.
Regardless, nothing I said is principally untrue, and though vague I'm certain my numbers are at worst lower than reality based solely off of common estimates of firearms numbers and use, as, thankfully, the United States has not been stupid enough to agree to any kind of national registry. Else the authoritarians wouldn't bother with false pretenses like "red flag" laws, or respect natural rights and due process at all.
The arguement always goes back to the EU model, or Australia's, or some strange amalgamation of what the Fascists and Socialists did to disarm their populaces. Until they disavow that platform, I will cut through the niceties and get right to the point.
If your mental health screening meets that criteria, I implore you to write to your congressman.
edit: didnt put enough 0s in the percentage
for something to be an "assault rifle" (which is a nazi propaganda term just fyi) it has to have at least select fire. meaning it has to be legally a machine gun. If you look at my math above,
about 1/3rd of americans own guns. that's about 100 million people. There are about 15k gun murders in america in 2018. If every single murder was committed by a different legally owned gun that's would be 0.0001% of legal gun owners having ever committed a murder with a gun when in fact most gun murders in america are committed by illegally owned guns.
Most americans dont live in fear of being murdered.
another point of interest, the majority of gun related murders are committed with handguns not rifles. The VAST majority of school shootings are done with handguns. You are more likely to be ran over than shot.