How about you go fuck yourself and let people grieve.
Death and remembrance rituals never had to make sense or even be particularly good for anything. They are for the living. To mourn and remember. Keep walking, or someone might work off some misplaced aggression.
I get your point, but all due respect I'm going to let my friend get over her miscarriage with however many balloons she sees fit to use. Call me when China is done building coal factories.
If putting into consideration, I'd rather pick those coal factories that involve thousands of workers and their families' living fees than your friend's and her emotion.
Anyone who knows the most basic things about the economy and how industries work will we that it's not an easy problem to solve when it comes to balancing environment, human needs and money.
When the baloon is just a piece of personal emotion.
You're damn right it's a piece of personal emotion, sometimes that's the entire point. I think it's a bit insane though that anyone is going to criticize a small act like this one when the overwhelming majority of the pollution and emissions in the world dont come from people doing things like this, but indeed from those coal factories or plants like it. No one said it was easy, but I refuse to be preached to when the vast majority of people could switch to carbon-zero lives over night and not have it make a dent in the actual problem. Also, side note, I dont know if you've actually seen the factories in question but they do NOT pay living fees. Also not sure you've been to China but it's pretty much smog everywhere you go so... yeah... balloon away I say, doesnt mean shit compared to whose really causing the damage.
Be overemotional all you want but at the end of the day, it cant compare to other national and international matter.
When shutting down factories costs millions even billions of dollars, putting thousands of workers along with their families at risk.
Switching live styles is also not easy but many are working on it, saving water by reusing it to water the plants or sharing vehicle or using public transport instead of going on your own, ...
Chaging your personal choice in getting a balloon costs nothing.
Actually between buying a balloon and not buying one, not buying is free.
But sure, buy all the balloons in the world on the name of grieving if you want.
What you consider overly emotional most would could consider emotionally healthy. Additionally, you're actually validating my point because regardless of how green or environmentally conscious anyone is or becomes it doesnt even move the needle due to not only a lack of transitioning to better, cleaner energy but the ramping up of less-green factory building by countries like China but the fact that releasing a balloon in the air is realistically impactful... because people will defend the real contributing factors to the death under the guise of industry and jobs--and I'm not entirely disagreeing with you on this point. However, criticizing someone for using a less-than eco friendly balloon to mourn a miscarriage as remotely impactful compared to coal factories in China, (22 new ones set to be built by EOY 2020) along with the chemical run off into the ocean from said plants is, at best, misinformed and at worst hypocritical.
we do what we can, the more the better.
Handling multi industries for the sake of the planet is surely necessary but takes lots of efforts and works, it's being done, slowly but it is.
Setting balloons is not necessary in any case, even if you're trying to communicate with birds, there are dozens of ways, better way to express emotion and to grieve but you pick balloons then so it be.
Lots of people (including me) like to plants things to cherish their beloved, personally, i find it effective and meaning but if you prefer littering, go for it.
You're talking to a guy who actively plants tree's in Israel, preaching to the choir. How you and I deal with loss might be very different than how someone else deals with it. My original premace stands and saying that it's tough for different industries to change doesnt negate the need for change, only that it still needs to happen. The defense that "it's difficult to change" eventually sounds more like an excuse considering the carbon footprint of those industries is ludicrously higher than the "balloon" in question. You have you're opinion and that's great, good on you for sticking to your guns.
The real reason countries like China dont want to switch to green energy is because the chinese government is a majority stake holder in all the coal/carbon repositories and refineries. If they go green, most high ranking communist party members lose out on massive, personal profit/wealth. The vast majority of the populace dont see jobs/money from these industries or losses there of.
Where did i say they shouldn't change or I support them? I'm saying it's difficult and take time to do and it's being done.
So you are refusing to take your possible actions bc someone else is doing bad? "Im not stopping, theyre worse than me why dont you start with them" sounds pretty childish tbh
That's a lame excuse.
We do what we can and is in our hands, you don't want to? Go for it.
Nope, I'm saying dont criticize one and defend the other. I'm also saying there's a point of overcritisizing everyone over every little thing, i.e., the balloon. I also stated that it's silly to die on this hill, to criticize someone over a balloon if that's how they heal and process, while bending over backwards to defend the culprits responsible for the overwhelming majority of the problems. The mentality of "well I cant do anything about those companies" represents the very childish mentality you claim to be combating. If you want to twist my premace to fit your argument, or should I say your perception, go for it.
Using grieve and emotion as excuses is something only children, elder people who're under illness, people with serious mental illness do. Are you perhaps on of them? If not, you're just choosing literrying over better options bc you can (or maybe you had the same hobby as Pennywise)
You was the one who brought China into the cmt to defend your literrying in the first place, not me.
There is no such thing as overcritisizie, a need to be criticize to keep in line and be aware of what we, as a human, do.
Someone is doing worse doesn't mean you're doing just fine, they're both bad, even in different levels, bad is bad. (Bc litterying is bad)
Correctly dealing with emotion and processing it so that a person can survive in a way other than what you do and what you believe is fine, and you vehemently disagreeing with it is fine. You saying its childish means that you have some growing up to do yourself. Your responses also strike me as someone who has had to deal with a lot in their past, someone who has dealt with trauma, possibly at a younger age, and you've taken a very hardened stance on how you think people should deal with it--and that's okay. You are correct that I brought up China, your argument seemed defensive on China's behalf. You are correct, bad is bad and that was also one of my points and why I was a little concerned as to why you were fighting so hard on the behalf of, you guessed it, China in this example.
Have you tried Vietnamese egg coffee? Its amazing (it could be a little too sweet for some) coconut coffee is delicious too.
I've done my research for a short presentation on Turkey and their coffee catches my eyes (as much as their tea) I believe that much caffeine could kill me so I'm tempted.
I have not, sounds interesting but I am very much a black coffee drinker. Yeah Turkish coffee is very, very strong and textured. I like my coffee to have texture and kick.
the main point shouldnt even really be the balloon tho that in of itself is a problem. Its the "lighter than air" gasses. The sheer amount of helium balloons sold worldwide (among other things) makes helium harder to get for actual useful scientific purposes. Only so much is made and its not usually made on purpose. Its a side effect of making natural gas (which you might know is also bad for the environment.)
I was reading an article about where they were redesigning entire MRI systems specifically to reuse the Helium as many times as possible; they got it down to like 6% that was lost, and it was worth it.
While we're on the topic, the funeral industry is harmful to the planet as well! Embalming fluids that seep into underground water, mining stone for gravestones, lacquered coffins with metal, polyester and rubber parts that obviously don't decompose particularly well, cremation (which is, however, still better than embalming by the way), and many other things that we do to our dead to make them look dignified. Not to mention the land we waste on cemeteries that could be used for growing crops! (1/2)
Do people think this is really helping their dead loved ones in any way? No, they're a corpse, they don't care, we only do it for us, out of our own sentimentality, and the planet suffers for it. I am in no way saying you should repress your mourning BUT there are better ways to do it. In fact, many funeral directors exploit the fact that the family is mourning to sell them overpriced crap like rubber lined coffins! But you can skip all this, have a natural burial and then instead of a gravestone you can have a little shrine at home with pictures of your deceased loved ones and, idk, put up flowers and candles. You don't have to buy into this just because it's the traditional ritual. (2/2)
When I die ya'll niggas best bury me in a carved stone sarcophagus! Bitchin sarcohphagus best have fucking dinosaurs on it... and aliens.. and my journey from Area 51 to pouring out of caves in Yellowstone!
Fuck it, I'll do it myself.
Old post I know, but as someone who has lost 3 close people to me I understand yes, it’s harmful, but why the fuck do we dress these dead people up? Why the fuck do we drop THOUSANDS of dollars on a dead person? Inject them with formaldehyde, and wire jaws shut and glue eyelids, WHY? Because those $15,000 funerals aren’t for those who died, they are for the ones who attend. Everyone is afraid of death, and seeing your own mother at the young age of 46, while I was merely 16, laying in a casket will make your fear exponential. There’s shit that I’ve seen that will make your eyes roll to the back of your head and shit out your mortal soul. It leaves huge mental scars and lacerations that will leave you fucked up for life.
TL;DR I understand littering and the balloons are bad for the environment, but don’t EVER criticize the way someone grieves unless it puts them, or others in IMMEDIATE danger.
Death and remembrance rituals never had to make sense or even be particularly good for anything. They are for the living. To mourn and remember. Keep walking, or someone might work off some misplaced aggression.
Anyone who knows the most basic things about the economy and how industries work will we that it's not an easy problem to solve when it comes to balancing environment, human needs and money.
When the baloon is just a piece of personal emotion.
When shutting down factories costs millions even billions of dollars, putting thousands of workers along with their families at risk.
Switching live styles is also not easy but many are working on it, saving water by reusing it to water the plants or sharing vehicle or using public transport instead of going on your own, ...
Chaging your personal choice in getting a balloon costs nothing.
Actually between buying a balloon and not buying one, not buying is free.
But sure, buy all the balloons in the world on the name of grieving if you want.
Handling multi industries for the sake of the planet is surely necessary but takes lots of efforts and works, it's being done, slowly but it is.
Setting balloons is not necessary in any case, even if you're trying to communicate with birds, there are dozens of ways, better way to express emotion and to grieve but you pick balloons then so it be.
Lots of people (including me) like to plants things to cherish their beloved, personally, i find it effective and meaning but if you prefer littering, go for it.
So you are refusing to take your possible actions bc someone else is doing bad? "Im not stopping, theyre worse than me why dont you start with them" sounds pretty childish tbh
That's a lame excuse.
We do what we can and is in our hands, you don't want to? Go for it.
You was the one who brought China into the cmt to defend your literrying in the first place, not me.
There is no such thing as overcritisizie, a need to be criticize to keep in line and be aware of what we, as a human, do.
Someone is doing worse doesn't mean you're doing just fine, they're both bad, even in different levels, bad is bad. (Bc litterying is bad)
Vietnamese name great memes thank to the complexity of our language and how casually heartless and offensive we are.
I've done my research for a short presentation on Turkey and their coffee catches my eyes (as much as their tea) I believe that much caffeine could kill me so I'm tempted.
Fuck it, I'll do it myself.
TL;DR I understand littering and the balloons are bad for the environment, but don’t EVER criticize the way someone grieves unless it puts them, or others in IMMEDIATE danger.