It is where I live; takes an hour and a little paperwork. When I asked about a waiting period she laughed and said "Been a while since you bought one huh?" Then I walked out with a 9 mm and 300 rounds ten minutes later.
What do you need a waiting period for? If a person passes the check, let them buy the gun that day. My dad has loaned out a gun to a family friend who was denied a protective order and had to wait to pick up her gun.
It's a deterrent to those who are in a negative emotional state and want a gun to kill someone immediately. That is what I was told. I don't believe it is well thought out since I bought a .270 no problem yet if I buy a 9mm pistol there is a wait period. A .270 rifle is more dangerous than a 9mm pistol in my mind.
Yeah..... no? It’s pretty easy where I live- which is know. As one of the least gun friendly states in the US. You fill out a form. A short form. They run your prints etc. you get a gun. It’s pretty straight forward.
@guest_@lordhab yeah I guess now that I think of it the only reason it seems like a hassle to me is because my county is rural as shit and everything is done in hard copy. There is a waiting period though unless you go to the sheriff's office and get it done beforehand
@Adam44- ummm.... yes? I specified the country I live in. The United States. I live in one of the states here? Where it is easy to buy a gun? Hence why I replied to the OP who said that it wasn’t easy to buy a gun. And I said- here- it is?
@the_average_gatsby- results may differ I would suppose- and I do recall back when everything wasn’t automated it made many things a hassle- so I could see where you’re coming from. If there’s a mistake, even one someone else makes, something gets lists or misplaced.... that could be a real hassle. The funny thing is I live in a state universally held as draconian for guns- and its easier to buy guns for me here than in Texas, which is known for being gun crazy. Lol. Perception I suppose.
@adam44- wait.... I just realized... did you think my comment was a reply to your earlier comment on that other comment chain? If you look it’s a stand alone comment- not a reply. No “@“. I just realized that might explain my confusion at your comment? You think mine was a response to your other comment and not the original post?
Sorry, I don't comment much so I mistook your comment as a response to me. I'm up in Canada and the process can be quite agitating. The RCMP runs checks on those you are related to when you submit an application for a firearms license.
I had more of a hassle adopting a dog from the Humane Society than getting any pistol or rifle in Utah. I did have to wait a week in Hawaii though before I could purchase a pistol.
Lol. Now that you mention it. Yeah. When we adopted a dog it was a bigger pain in the butt. We needed to furnish documents, show pictures of the home and yard- prove we were responsible and had a suitable home and home life. They wanted pay stubs to confirm our work hours and income. Lol. It was a bit surreal.
There's a difference between various things. If you mean a civilian rifle or a pistol its fairly simple in that you get your background checked by the FFA you are dealing with and they know you are clean and safe to own a gun by right as an american and boom after all the boring paperwork is done with youve got your gun and ammo and stuff.
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(ive said before that if every gun homicide in the US was done by a different legal gun owning american that would still be only 0.0001% of legal gun owning americans commiting gun homicide and thats before you take into account the fact that the majority of gun homicides are with illegally owned guns, so its pretty safe to assume any given person that passes a background check in the official government systems is clean and fine)
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now if you are talking about anything more than a basic single fire rifle or a basic single fire pistol (emphasis: basic) then youll have a lot of "to do" and paper work and taxes and fees and special licenses.
Even if you would fail a background check, you can still get one at a gun show, or so I've read. I'm a New Zealander, so I do't exactly have a decent metric other than research.
Yeah, no. Private sellers at gun shows will only do business with you if you agree to either have an FFL run a check for you, or already have documentation saying you're trustworthy. Like a CCL permit, a military or police ID, Class III license, etc. At a bare minimum you need a valid state ID and a trusted person to vouch for you.
True and false. Depends on the state. Which is part of the issue with illegal weapons. My state bans certain weapons and features or parts. But the next state over (a short drive from most major cities here,) allows most of those things. There’s nothing stopping you from buying gun parts in another state and bribing them to this one. Now- the weapon has to be registered here to be legal. But... that often makes otherwise law abiding people not register weapons. When a county passed a law that you couldn’t own handguns- anyone with a handgun would need to sell it or surrender it. Laws like that make many people afraid to register their guns because if they ban your gun and you don’t give it up- police will come to take it.
So you get unregistered guns in the homes of otherwise law abiding people. If these guns get stollen- you aren’t going to report it. It’s a felony crime with serious fines and prison time to own an unregistered gun. So now there is one more unregistered gun on the streets we don’t know about and the law can’t track.
There’s been a lot of laws passed to stop people from just going somewhere close by that has looser laws or hitting a gun show etc. and bringing weapons or parts back. Most methods you could use besides driving require that you declare you’re transporting or shipping a weapon. So they’ve not only passed laws tightening what gunshows can and can’t sell and to whom- but also making it harder to transfer or transport weapons. But it’s still relatively easy to get around such laws and own weapons that are legal on paper but illegal as equipped, or don’t exist on paper.
Funny enough- a large source of black market guns has always been the police. Cruisers are equipped with rifles, shotguns, or other support weapons usually- and being the police, the police generally aren’t very worried about people entering their cars. They leave them unlocked, unattended, often running while away from them. Kids have been sneaking or breaking into police cars for decades, stealing guns, and selling them.
Most forces have added locks etc- but that still relies on an officer using it (gun locks are a debated topic. If you have a gun for an emergency but have to unlock it... can you even get to it in time if you need it?) and locks can always be defeated. Side arms are also lost or stollen often enough. And many officers don’t report it because... that goes in your record against you.
In general though- gunshows usually don’t require background checks in most states- especially for long guns. IF the seller isn’t a dealer. See- this is where it all makes sense. A PRIVATE CITIZEN like you or I, who owns a gun, has the right to sell it right? Now- it’s illegal to sell a gun to a person underage, or to a known felon etc. but- other than that- the government can’t tell you who to sell your gun to any more than your car or your laptop right? So a “gunshow” often has many private sellers and collectors selling guns and gun parts.
These people don’t meet the definition of a weapons dealer and don’t need a permit. And obviously- it doesn’t make sense to ask a private seller to do a background check on a person does it? Asides the fact that would be costly and prohibitive for most people to do- there’s also the fact that it’s a huge risk to privacy. Me, a stranger, having access to your social security number, address, employment or education history, and all the other information you’d have to give me to allow me to do a background check.
And of course- that would also mean that you couldn’t take delivery of your purchase until the check came back- which somewhat defeats the purpose of a swap meet or expo type event no? So there are good reasons for the exemption- although other solutions could be used to either ore verify attendees of a show or otherwise get around many of the issues using modern technology. But if you have to wait that means it’s likely all these guns will need to be shipped.
That’s not just an added cost and hassle- it’s dangerous. There’s a reason many states ban buying and sell in general guns online. This is just online gun sales with an extra step and opens that door- “virtual gun show” you could call it. Instant loophole. But having all those guns in shipping creates dangers. Both the dangers of stupidity like someone accidentally shipping a loaded gun...
But also the danger of package theft, and the likely increase once people became aware that a large number of guns were routinely being shipped via mail. It becomes a mess. So there are solutions but there are also challenges too.
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(ive said before that if every gun homicide in the US was done by a different legal gun owning american that would still be only 0.0001% of legal gun owning americans commiting gun homicide and thats before you take into account the fact that the majority of gun homicides are with illegally owned guns, so its pretty safe to assume any given person that passes a background check in the official government systems is clean and fine)
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now if you are talking about anything more than a basic single fire rifle or a basic single fire pistol (emphasis: basic) then youll have a lot of "to do" and paper work and taxes and fees and special licenses.