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purplepumpkin
· 4 years ago
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Are you telling me that something labelled "Death" can make you dead? I'm shook.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
“Gray Death” isn’t exactly a drug as much as slang for a type of heroine mixed with opiates. I say “isn’t exactly a drug” because there is no uniform formulation for what is in it- which is part of the danger. It commonly has designer compounds like U-47700, which itself vary in composition, purity, etc. fentanyl analogs are another commonly found component. But any 2 samples of the substance called “gray death” can be totally different and have several opiates along with heroine in random combination and dose.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
The issue is compounded by changes in laws and enforcement and chemists trying to adapt. Slight variations in the fentanyl molecule to get around enforcement and restrictions can create wildly different drugs. carfentanil for example is very potent. A single flake (think like dandruff) is an effective dose for about 10-20 average adults. Some drugs are even more potent and can kill with amounts not visible to the naked eye.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
Such potent and concentrated drugs have economic and other incentives. It’s much easier to create, store, and transport a thimble of powerful drugs than thousands of lbs. you can cross borders and then cut or dilute it down to make huge quantities of street drugs as needed. If caught- the total amount in possession is very small and thusly easier to avoid prosecution or serious charges.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
Fentanyl and it’s analogs are particularly dangerous because like all opiates they can cause the nervous system and breathing to become too depressed to function. Unlike most opiates however they bind very strongly to opiates receptions which makes drugs used to treat overdose generally less effective and thusly increases the risk that even with proper and timely medical care a person won’t survive.
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jokur_and_batmon
· 4 years ago
I mean one “dose” of anything could kill you if the wrong person is prescribing the size of said dose
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nelson
· 4 years ago
Great, I’ll take 3
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lolcats121
· 4 years ago
Why not both?
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catfluff
· 4 years ago
Looks like sandstone to me
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curlhairedude
· 4 years ago
But why is it a drug? It should be called poison
jokur_and_batmon
· 4 years ago
Because it’s made out of drugs
guest_
· 4 years ago
Well... the short version is that even water is technically a poison. Most drugs are poisons. A poison is just a substance that taken in sufficient quantity can harm or kill an organism. Everything is a poison and everything has poison in it more or less- some are just much more potent than others. Same goes for “drug.” A drug is just a substance that has. Physiological effect when introduced to the body. Food is TECHNICALLY a drug with the blurry defining line for most people seeming to be wether the body is naturally adapted/requires it to function or wether it provides nutritional value.
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guest_
· 4 years ago
But food can certainly be used as a drug, and the brain of many people react to it as a drug. When we eat for reasons other than sustenance or as an emotional reaction for example- we are using food as a recreational drug. So all drugs are poisons, not all poisons are drugs- and most things we consume or put in our bodies can be classified as drugs. That’s why we have organizations like “food and drug administration.” It is too difficult to create a clear line between the two.
guest_
· 4 years ago
When it comes to poisons and toxins and toxicity (not the same but often used synonymously) regulations and classifications are usually by intended use and possible applications. Because drugs and chemistry and biology are so complex- most potent poisons or drugs- those with a high danger of causing harm or being misused for other than “safe” applications- are usually regulated or in some cases, outright prohibited. Users and sellers have psychological and personal motivations to not call drugs poison- but why don’t we call illegal or misused drugs “poison” in media and conversation?
guest_
· 4 years ago
There are a couple main reasons. 1. Many drugs are only seriously dangerous when used in the wrong doses or for the wrong reasons etc. Identifying potentially helpful substances found in legitimate medical care and industry as poisons could cause aversion even when used correctly. 2. Desensitization. As said- water IS a poison. It can poison you. If we call water a poison- and everything with water in it etc... people get so used to the idea of poison it means nothing. The warning label “possible poison” doesn’t effect people.
guest_
· 4 years ago
Likewise- if we call every illegal drug poison- people get desensitized. Cocaine is a drug more people have used than most people think. At a party or whatever. Meth too. But... call it poison and all those folks who have used it and seen no immediate ill effects other than perhaps a crash after- they have no reason to believe you when you say “no guys. This is really poisonous.” By the time you get to a point where you’re shooting up or smoking a rock of heroine that looks like cement mix- calling it whatever you want likely doesn’t matter. That person will take it. But for the rest of people- the new or casual drug user- it’s important to not over dramatize things. We saw DARE actually increase drug use because it’s heavy handed theatrics were laughable to the experiences of most kids.
