A system for tracking sex offenders is important. The current system in the US is highly flawed certainly. A person who at 20, was caught (or “stung” talking to a person who was 16 or 17 online in a sexual explicit manner- will be on a registry until they are 35- with a POSSIBILITY to appeal at 30. Now- I find the idea of an adult “sexting” a young person repulsive- but-
Where hormones are concerned- and sometimes chemicals that can alter judgment or extreme emotional factors- a single indiscretion such as that can all but ruin a persons life for the next quarter of a generation. That is to say: the list Md the laws do not really factor in the difference between a first offense where repeat offense is unlikely, or habitual behaviors and behaviors that are part of a pattern that indicates escalation or further infraction.
I know- cry me a river for the poor sex offenders. To be honest- I once figured we might as well lock them up for life or put them to execution on a first offense. But- through various circumstances I have come to meet several convicted sex offenders as I grew older. I met a man who did what I describe above- going through a rough divorce and contemplating suicide- he went to a popular chat room at the time.
He started talking to a girl, they were “connecting” and they started to flirt. The flirting escalated and the girl told him she was 16. He did not stop, they exchanged explicit texts- and the “girl” was a 30+ year old police officer. This guy is married now- I know his wife well. He has never in their relationship exhibited any behaviors that made her feel “creeped out” or like he was “in to” younger people.
I met another guy who was straight up wrongly convicted. He was arrested and found guilty of exchanging (real paper) photographs of explicit nature with a minor. It took him 20 years to get exonerated.
And here’s something not a lot of people know- you can be exonerated or have a crime “off your record” but STILL have the conviction show up in the types of background checks employers look at. It will show on the check- “conviction for XYZ.” The fact the charges were dismissed, expelled, etc- doesn’t matter. Some background checks show you were arrested for the crime- wether convicted or not. You’d think that being arrested but found innocent wouldn’t count against you- but it can. In a persons perceptions of you- look at Jews and media. The way we talk about “accused” so and so.
On the flip side- many dangerous or potentially dangerous offenders can “slip through the cracks” or still have access to potential victims like children or the psychologically unsuited to defend themselves.
So we do need some sort of system to keep track of offenders, but we also need to improve the system we have. A database of police officers and complaints would be useful- but that is problematic too without changes to the system as disciplinary action isn’t always applied consistently and a complaint against an officer, even an investigation- isn’t always valid.
Police enforce the law. By the nature of the job- they will often be unpopular to those Recieving their “service.” Are most people who get a ticket for double parking more likely to be thankful, or to say “come on! I wasnt hurting anyone! I was only here 5 minutes!” Speeding, seatbelts, broken or inoperable lights, expired registration...
Drugs, public nuisance, disturbing the peace, drunk and disorderly... and most domestic calls- at least one person in he House isn’t going to be happy about it. So complaints against officers aren’t always because an officer actually did something “bad” but can be the equivalent of “I want to speak to your manager” or a revenge tactic to put a mark in their career and possibly hurt their chances for promotions and so on.
Look at “yelp.” Between fake reviews and shills and people with terrible judgment or who are just assholes.... often times you have to really dig to see the truth beyond the rating. I don’t know about you- but some of my favorite businesses have not great yelp ratings. Often times from people who were themselves the actual problem.
So I’m not saying we can’t or should many have public transparency into officers histories- but I am saying that we do have to do so intelligently, and make changes to the systems used to evaluate officer performance so that these reports can be understood by people without the subject matter expertise to really understand context and politics and language and circumstances of police work.
@fmousone- I’ve heard of stuff like that. A guy who drunk pees and gets caught- and he’s X feet near a school or whatever- and now he’s not just a drunk with a minor case- he’s a full on sex offender- and it may not even matter that the kids in the school were nowhere they’d see it or even if there are kids in the school at the time. Doesn’t matter there was nothing sexual about the act. Genitals+location=15+ years as a sex offender. Sometimes it just takes one bad roll of the dice and or a poor choice.
In nature that’s the way it is. You’re lost in the woods- you choose to look for high ground and that wasn’t the right choice. You die. You put your food in a tree so bears or whatever can’t get it, and then birds eat it. That’s life. But here in society- we make the rules, not nature. So personally I feel like we shouldn’t design rules to be so brutal as much as they should be intelligent. Only with purpose, and only so as much to serve that purpose- where good cause is present and there is compelling evidence they’ll be effective for the intended purposes. And as always- with minimal impact on personal or social freedom.
Yeah, it also happens with murder. If you're charged with murder and found not guilty, it'll show up and finding a job is really going to become a pain for the rest of your life.
can you guys fricking stop pouring pity out to these hopeless sex offenders? that’s kind of insane if u ask me. it SHOULD ruin their entire life. no one should have to go through what they put people through. no ONE. and you guys realize that sex offenders INCLUDE rapists? I WAS RAPED IDIOTS. YOU THINK THIS IS OKAY? I’d bitch slap u if u were in front of me.
There was a show where a doctor was an expert witness on a rape case. The prosecutor later says his points were invalid, and he had no right to speak, because the doctor himself was a sex offender. He was imprisoned for “molesting a child.” The defense, who called on him for his expertise, asked him how his case ultimately panned out. He said, “I was released early due to a petition by the victim and her family. We are married now, and have children of our own.”
Conclusion: What happened to you was a travesty, and 100% fucked. Not everything is so black and white though
can you guys fricking stop pouring pity out to these hopeless sex offenders? that’s kind of insane if u ask me. it SHOULD ruin their entire life. no one should have to go through what they put people through. no ONE. and you guys realize that sex offenders INCLUDE rapists? I WAS RAPED IDIOTS. YOU THINK THIS IS OKAY? I’d bitch slap u if u were in front of me.
@boiled_children- I’m sorry you had to go through one of the most vile and despicable things a human can do to another. So far- no one here has said to have pity or mercy on rapists. Your post illustrates part of the problem often highlighted with sexual offenders.
If I was in front of you- and you bitched slapped me- that’s assault. And what if that put you on a list of violent offenders- along with mass shooters and murderers- that followed you around for 15-life? Do you believe that is how that should be? That if you slapped me you should have your life ruined over it? That slapping me should equate you to a mass shooter? Do you believe it is fair to say that because you slapped me- that shows you are likely going to become a mass shooter, or stab someone one day?
If you DONT believe that- if you DONT believe that slapping me should ruin your life, if you DONT believe that slapping me is a sign you’re a serious offender who will escalate- then how could you believe that a person who gets drunk and takes a pee in public, or a stupid kid who streaks through his neighborhood at midnight- should have their lives ruined, or be seen as a ticking time bomb of repeat offense?
Rapists are the scum of the earth. Child molesters are the scum of the earth. When we put them into a box with people who piss in public, or people who get caught masturbating in a bathroom or their car- we not only take less “severe” offenders and treat them with undue harshness- we diminish the severity of more severe crimes because a “sex offender” is- many things. That’s why we don’t just treat people who slap someone like a murderer. The act and harm of rape can never be taken back. So we need to treat rape very seriously. More seriously than pissing in the bushes.
Oooh. Good take. I guess a public registry would be more like a tool departments used to track officers as they approached that line- between isolated and minor infraction and when those infractions added up to sum total warranting dismissal and/or discipline/legal action. It would allow the public to verify that departments were being accountable to any standards set forth on the matter- if a private citizen saw an officers jacket and believed that it was sufficient to warrant action that hadn’t been taken for example- it would allow the public to call for a review of that officer who may have “slipped trough the cracks,” been given a “quiet pass” by admins, or where the department and community standards for officers weren’t aligned it would allow calibration.
So less a tool to say: “watch out for this cop...” and more a tool for the police to track and compare officers- and allow the public to see that is actually occurring and that the system is working to police itself appropriately.
Of course- no such system is perfect or without need for caution. Those with little or no subject matter expertise overseeing those with expertise is often itself a recipe for disaster. Likewise- steps would be needed to prevent abuse by the public. Seeing an officer is “one complaint away” from a suspension or losing their badge- a person might use that as leverage in a way that would prevent an officer from doing their job- or use a complaint as a form of retaliation against an officer who did their job professionally and correctly. That’s why body cams are so important as is leaving the actual review to experts but giving citizens a window into the process to call out when they think they see incompetence or corruption.
And maybe we just need to start being more honest. People don’t like the truth often times. No one wants to hear a president or leader say: “yeah. I just- I really don’t know. I’m flying by the seat of my pants here- but I’m going to do my best..” people don’t want to hear “Well- yeah he’s an asshole- but a lot of our guys are. If we fire the assholes, we can’t do our jobs. The union would have a field day- and it’s going to cause lawlessness and a huge cost to tax payers... trust me. I’d fire half these guys tomorrow if I could...”
Conclusion: What happened to you was a travesty, and 100% fucked. Not everything is so black and white though