Bruh, the left is literally fighting for this. How is this going to trigger the left? Not everything is a trigger. Lol, people will bag on the other side even if it's nothing, and then say that there is a political polarisation.
Weirdly enough, though I don't necessarily consider this meme part of the "super straight" brigade - the color scheme is largely in line with it. Granted that started as a joke, but it's based on the widely preached doublethink
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I think both sides have idiocy among them, but in this case quite a few people who identify as left have been losing their collective minds over the concept of people saying they're allowed to both:
-be born heterosexual and male/female
-say they aren't attracted to people who are transgender
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The response to expressing this sexual preference is them being labelled transphobic and literal pages upon pages explaining why this is not okay
If it's nothing but a troll people have no reason to be so upset about it.
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Troll or not - it's existence, as well as the reaction to it, puts into stark relief the abysmally concealed hypocrisy.
Of course it's a reason to be upset about. It's a premeditated attempt to drive a wedge between people and to further spread hate.
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And excluding Twitter, and no one is losing their minds about people being straight. It's the way people are using the super straight thing as a mask for being transphobic. You can date trans people, you can date cis people, you can date a potato for anyone cares. It's not only about the sexual orientations and preferences
*it's a response to premeditated attempts to drive a wedge between people and force compliance
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If people had not been informed - repeatedly and loudly - that not being attracted to trans people is intolerable and makes YOU some sort of "phobe" - the super straight meme never would have gotten started.
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And it's not only Twitter. There are pages of articles about how the concept in and of itself is transphobic. And yet nothing about most of the things I've seen related to super straight says anything denigrating about trans people.
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It says simply: i'm not attracted to them. By your own rules you're not allowed to hate me for this.
Congrats honey, you got a type. Not a whole new sexuality.
Super Straight is explicitly designed to wedge a gap between cis women and trans women. It started on 4chan as a troll and the blind masses of twitter ate it up as expected.
Accepting Super Straight, even beyond it's terrible name, is to not unly undo several years of social progress but also to feed the trolls.
If a man being attracted exclusively to other men is a sexuality, if a woman being attracted to both men and women is a sexuality, if being attracted to peoples personalities is a sexuality... than, yeah, being attracted exclusively to biological men or women is a sexuality. You can't make rules and not play by them.
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And for the record - I have been called a bigot and a transphobe for saying I don't have a problem with people not wanting to date trans people. So whatever you find the origin of the meme to be (whatever the reasons behind it) the fact remains that it has only gained traction BECAUSE of the simple fact that the core message is reactive to a stigma being foisted upon people for the simple crime of existing.
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And - as I said on the other post - the goal of "turning the Lbtq community against each other" - is nonsensical. If no one truly has a problem with people not being attracted to trans - if they can truly accept that that's okay - then it literally cannot be used as a wedge to divide them.
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I don't want to see the Lbtq community divided - frankly I think they have their hands entirely full trying to keep the MAPs out (and I wish them all the luck in the world with that). But the super straight thing has gained traction for a reason - and the reason isn't exclusively trolls or bigots going "hurr durr hate the trans"
Also spookyking58 - I think the post probably got flagged because of the language in it. Most likely people thought you or a bot were posting hateful or offensive content
@thatguyyouknow it's a term we're being forced to adopt that as far as I can tell means a person who identifies their gender as coinciding with the genitals they were born with
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There's pretty much no way to explain it that doesn't offend people on both sides of the spectrum, so that's as much effort as I'm willing to put into trying not to
@thatguyyouknow Here, allow me to be stupid. Cis is simply not trans. A cisperson is not a transperson. Us leftist, woke, SJW, snowflakes needed a word to quickly explain that we weren't talking about a transperson and a lot of people got super triggered by it. Sry, didn't mean to trigger you guys but everything we do seems to trigger someone so it's kinda hard to tell what pissed someone of at any point.
So yeah, @spookykink58 is absolutely right. Us horrible feminazi faggots aren't trying to force you to do anything. We want you to be free to express yourselves (except violently obviously).
For strictly arguement's sake, Yes, actually, Lbtq - including trans - try and force people to do things to accommodate them all the time. People have literally lost their livelihoods or been arrested or even been driven to suicide (celebrated after as well) for the mere suggestion of non-compliance.
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Whether you think it's justified or not - it does actually happen
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Also - no one brought feminism into this?
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And for the record - the only person here using that language is you. The only person reacting with that level of hostility is also you. So in regards to who is triggered... I think the answer will once again be you.
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As far as I could tell the rest of us were having a largely civil conversation - if not necessarily seeing eye to eye.
Feminism is an integral part of the struggle human rights for LGBTQ. It wasn't brought in, it was already here implicitly in the debate.
How exactly have we done these horrible things to people?
The only change we are trying to accomplish are for people to treat us as they would anyone else. We aren't trying to make you gay.
It wasn't here in the debate we were having, stop trying to cloud the issue to make a point?
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"How exactly have we done these horrible things to people?" - are you... playing dumb? Or do you only pay attention to the parts of the movement that coincide with your arguement?
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Are you actually going to sit there and tell me that feminism is intrinsically linked historically in the lbtq movement - so much so that you cannot even speak about the lbtq community without bringing up feminism - while you're also going tell me you can't think of one single scenario (justified in your eyes or not) where lbtq made demands of, harassed, or attacked people for not following their standards? Not one scenario where someone was threatened, cancelled, sued, arrested, fired, beaten, graffiti'd, killed, or driven to suicide over non-compliance?
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Because if that's how skewed your view of all of this is, there is nothing further to discuss.
@xvarnah Yes, I honestly have no idea what we're doing to hurt people and the modern LGBTQ liberation movement is academically founded in feminism and greatly inspired by the american POC freedom movement.
Spend more time outside your bubble. Your complete disregard for the impact this has had on people - better yet, your complete unwillingness to even acknowledge it's existence - is asinine and depressing.
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And now you're bringing the history of racism into it. Which is bizarre because I never actually denied whether any of these topics were related - merely your ability to discuss and focus on one of the issues exclusively.
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"you're also going tell me you can't think of one single scenario (justified in your eyes or not) where lbtq made demands of, harassed, or attacked people for not following their standards? Not one scenario where someone was threatened, cancelled, sued, arrested, fired, beaten, graffiti'd, killed, or driven to suicide over non-compliance?
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Because if that's how skewed your view of all of this is, there is nothing further to discuss."
Minor attracted person's.
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It started as a way of giving non-offending pedophiles a way to actually seek help with less stigma. It has since been largely corrupted and is used as a way for pedophiles to:
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1) advocate that their desire to harm and rape children is natural and tolerable
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2) advocate that their desire to harm and rape children is a sexual orientation (and therefore should make them part of the LBTQ community)
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3) advocate that they are a protected class (akin with being Jewish or trans or whatever else)
3.1) Advocate that, as a protected class, saying it should not be permitted to call out their behaviour as reprehensible. Doing so would be the equivalent of a minor hatecrime (Twitter endorses this way of thinking btw)
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4) form groups where they can discuss, in public and in detail, the many, MANY ways they would love to rape children
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5) share playlists of things like home videos where children are in bathing suits, or linkfiles to child pornography
The entire thing has become out of control. It's working extremely hard to normalize pedophilia - and it is using the LBTQ community as it's sword and shield to do so
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The LBTQ community largely want no part of this - they find it as disgusting and morally corrupt as people outside of it do.
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But they're having a hard time getting the MAPs to BTFO, and sadly it's taking a lot of the positive the LBTQ has done, and twisting and corrupting it for their own gain. It hurts a lot of LBTQ people - not to mention actively discourages non-offending pedophiles from actively seeking help by feeding into their delusion that, yes, children can consent, and yes, you can rape a child and have it be a positive experience.
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Companies like Netflix, Twitter, YouTube, not to mention most of Hollywood largely exacerbate (if not outright support) the issue - pushing child exploitation down our throats and calling it art.
1. I merely explained the origins of our movement.
2. Paedophiles are not and never will be part of our movement. It's called consent and it's not possible between a child and an adult.
3. You have made grave allegations against me and mine but have not even presented a useful search term or example as evidence.
Sadly, I feel like I know you. Not you but everyone like you. Somehow you aquired these ideals and now anything that questions them you experience as an attack on your identity. I'm sorry you're so hurt. I hope you get better.
1. I addressed that, repeatedly, and asked you if you were capable of focusing on the actual topic without muddying things up by dragging in the cherry-picked parts of history you felt relevant. You responded by re-asserting that history exists, and bringing in more history irrelevant to the topic at hand
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2. No they won't. Pedophilia is a crime, not a sexuality. But they are trying very hard to become part of it, and some people are conceding to them. Hence I wish you all the luck in the world, because there has NEVER been a fight more important than stopping the normalization of child rape
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3. The fact that you failed to come up with a single scenario on your own where a LBTQ person made a demand of another human being speaks for itself - a scenario where LBTQ harassed, attacked, pressured (etc ad naseum) another human being for not conceding to their demands. I have many examples - there's an example in this very cha but when you are already this deluded about the state of reality
There is little I can do to help you. I have nowhere near enough training in psychology TO help you in this scenario.
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I am well aware you feel like you know me. That's a trademark. But I also understand it is much more comfortable to lump me into a generic categorization than it is to admit your own shortcomings over the course of the conversation. A conversation you initially disrupted with hate-speech I might add.
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I have presented no ideals in this conversation beyond the ideal that as a consenting adult no one is obligated to be attracted to any other person. And that they should be free to express this without harassment.
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You haven't attacked my identity because, despite your inability to follow a coherent train of thought (and your earlier statements otherwise) you know absolutely nothing about me. And your opinion of me holds little more water than a sieve.
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I understand you want to make this personal - for some reason.
There are many areas of my life that need improvement - the amount of space I apparently am taking up in the heads of random people on funsub seems to be one of them.
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Don't cry for me, next door neighbour. Especially not over the fact that you cannot cope with an opinion that does not walk lockstep with your own
I'd just like to point out that this is literally word for word what LGBTQ organisations all over the world have as their expressed goal. That everyone is free to define their gender, sexual and romantic identity without repercussions. Good on ya' @xvarnah I'm with on this one all the way!
They're easily displeased
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I think both sides have idiocy among them, but in this case quite a few people who identify as left have been losing their collective minds over the concept of people saying they're allowed to both:
-be born heterosexual and male/female
-say they aren't attracted to people who are transgender
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The response to expressing this sexual preference is them being labelled transphobic and literal pages upon pages explaining why this is not okay
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Troll or not - it's existence, as well as the reaction to it, puts into stark relief the abysmally concealed hypocrisy.
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And excluding Twitter, and no one is losing their minds about people being straight. It's the way people are using the super straight thing as a mask for being transphobic. You can date trans people, you can date cis people, you can date a potato for anyone cares. It's not only about the sexual orientations and preferences
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If people had not been informed - repeatedly and loudly - that not being attracted to trans people is intolerable and makes YOU some sort of "phobe" - the super straight meme never would have gotten started.
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And it's not only Twitter. There are pages of articles about how the concept in and of itself is transphobic. And yet nothing about most of the things I've seen related to super straight says anything denigrating about trans people.
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It says simply: i'm not attracted to them. By your own rules you're not allowed to hate me for this.
Super Straight is explicitly designed to wedge a gap between cis women and trans women. It started on 4chan as a troll and the blind masses of twitter ate it up as expected.
Accepting Super Straight, even beyond it's terrible name, is to not unly undo several years of social progress but also to feed the trolls.
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And for the record - I have been called a bigot and a transphobe for saying I don't have a problem with people not wanting to date trans people. So whatever you find the origin of the meme to be (whatever the reasons behind it) the fact remains that it has only gained traction BECAUSE of the simple fact that the core message is reactive to a stigma being foisted upon people for the simple crime of existing.
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I don't want to see the Lbtq community divided - frankly I think they have their hands entirely full trying to keep the MAPs out (and I wish them all the luck in the world with that). But the super straight thing has gained traction for a reason - and the reason isn't exclusively trolls or bigots going "hurr durr hate the trans"
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There's pretty much no way to explain it that doesn't offend people on both sides of the spectrum, so that's as much effort as I'm willing to put into trying not to
So yeah, @spookykink58 is absolutely right. Us horrible feminazi faggots aren't trying to force you to do anything. We want you to be free to express yourselves (except violently obviously).
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Whether you think it's justified or not - it does actually happen
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Also - no one brought feminism into this?
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And for the record - the only person here using that language is you. The only person reacting with that level of hostility is also you. So in regards to who is triggered... I think the answer will once again be you.
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As far as I could tell the rest of us were having a largely civil conversation - if not necessarily seeing eye to eye.
How exactly have we done these horrible things to people?
The only change we are trying to accomplish are for people to treat us as they would anyone else. We aren't trying to make you gay.
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"How exactly have we done these horrible things to people?" - are you... playing dumb? Or do you only pay attention to the parts of the movement that coincide with your arguement?
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Are you actually going to sit there and tell me that feminism is intrinsically linked historically in the lbtq movement - so much so that you cannot even speak about the lbtq community without bringing up feminism - while you're also going tell me you can't think of one single scenario (justified in your eyes or not) where lbtq made demands of, harassed, or attacked people for not following their standards? Not one scenario where someone was threatened, cancelled, sued, arrested, fired, beaten, graffiti'd, killed, or driven to suicide over non-compliance?
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Because if that's how skewed your view of all of this is, there is nothing further to discuss.
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And now you're bringing the history of racism into it. Which is bizarre because I never actually denied whether any of these topics were related - merely your ability to discuss and focus on one of the issues exclusively.
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"you're also going tell me you can't think of one single scenario (justified in your eyes or not) where lbtq made demands of, harassed, or attacked people for not following their standards? Not one scenario where someone was threatened, cancelled, sued, arrested, fired, beaten, graffiti'd, killed, or driven to suicide over non-compliance?
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Because if that's how skewed your view of all of this is, there is nothing further to discuss."
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It started as a way of giving non-offending pedophiles a way to actually seek help with less stigma. It has since been largely corrupted and is used as a way for pedophiles to:
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1) advocate that their desire to harm and rape children is natural and tolerable
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2) advocate that their desire to harm and rape children is a sexual orientation (and therefore should make them part of the LBTQ community)
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3) advocate that they are a protected class (akin with being Jewish or trans or whatever else)
3.1) Advocate that, as a protected class, saying it should not be permitted to call out their behaviour as reprehensible. Doing so would be the equivalent of a minor hatecrime (Twitter endorses this way of thinking btw)
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4) form groups where they can discuss, in public and in detail, the many, MANY ways they would love to rape children
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5) share playlists of things like home videos where children are in bathing suits, or linkfiles to child pornography
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The LBTQ community largely want no part of this - they find it as disgusting and morally corrupt as people outside of it do.
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But they're having a hard time getting the MAPs to BTFO, and sadly it's taking a lot of the positive the LBTQ has done, and twisting and corrupting it for their own gain. It hurts a lot of LBTQ people - not to mention actively discourages non-offending pedophiles from actively seeking help by feeding into their delusion that, yes, children can consent, and yes, you can rape a child and have it be a positive experience.
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Companies like Netflix, Twitter, YouTube, not to mention most of Hollywood largely exacerbate (if not outright support) the issue - pushing child exploitation down our throats and calling it art.
2. Paedophiles are not and never will be part of our movement. It's called consent and it's not possible between a child and an adult.
3. You have made grave allegations against me and mine but have not even presented a useful search term or example as evidence.
Sadly, I feel like I know you. Not you but everyone like you. Somehow you aquired these ideals and now anything that questions them you experience as an attack on your identity. I'm sorry you're so hurt. I hope you get better.
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2. No they won't. Pedophilia is a crime, not a sexuality. But they are trying very hard to become part of it, and some people are conceding to them. Hence I wish you all the luck in the world, because there has NEVER been a fight more important than stopping the normalization of child rape
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3. The fact that you failed to come up with a single scenario on your own where a LBTQ person made a demand of another human being speaks for itself - a scenario where LBTQ harassed, attacked, pressured (etc ad naseum) another human being for not conceding to their demands. I have many examples - there's an example in this very cha but when you are already this deluded about the state of reality
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I am well aware you feel like you know me. That's a trademark. But I also understand it is much more comfortable to lump me into a generic categorization than it is to admit your own shortcomings over the course of the conversation. A conversation you initially disrupted with hate-speech I might add.
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I have presented no ideals in this conversation beyond the ideal that as a consenting adult no one is obligated to be attracted to any other person. And that they should be free to express this without harassment.
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You haven't attacked my identity because, despite your inability to follow a coherent train of thought (and your earlier statements otherwise) you know absolutely nothing about me. And your opinion of me holds little more water than a sieve.
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I understand you want to make this personal - for some reason.
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Don't cry for me, next door neighbour. Especially not over the fact that you cannot cope with an opinion that does not walk lockstep with your own